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22 August 2002 — Warcraft III Thoughts (5)

After spending most of last weekend playing Starcraft with Andrew and Dana, my love of real-time strategy games was rekindled. In an effort to get Warcraft III working, I removed all but 256mb of RAM from my computer. Though game still crashes, it's only crashing once per day now instead of once every fifteen minutes.

Though Warcraft III and Starcraft seem to share similar features, it seems that the strategies for the two games are vastly different. I'm pretty competent at Starcraft; Dana/Andrew vs. J.D. is a fair fight. I suck at Warcraft III. In nine games on battle.net, I have a record of one win and eight losses. That one win was in a team game!

I've been trying to determine what it is that's so different between Starcraft and Warcraft III. Though I can enumerate many differences, I'm unable to describe how these differences affect strategy and tactics.

In Starcraft, your economy and infrastructure are key. In order to be successful, one must expand early and often. Each town ought to be running a set ratio of workers to mineral nodes. Each town ought to have four workers at its gas mine. In Starcraft, the early game is all about establishing a better economy than your opponent.

This doesn't seem to be the case in Warcraft III. For one thing you're given a large chunk of gold and wood to start the game. Rather than throw your initial workers into harvesting, you throw them into getting your important initial structures (barracks, farm, hero altar) erected first. And while three workers are building these items (and you have two workers on gold), you still have enough money to build a worker and get him harvesting lumber.

In Starcraft I'd often run out of resources. This drove the need for expansion. While I do run out of resources in Warcraft III, for a number of reasons it's never that big of a deal. I try to get one expansion by midgame, but that one expansion is all that's needed to keep a substantial economy afloat.

Still, I'm doing something wrong. Perhaps I'm driving the tech tree too hard. Whatever the case, my opponents on battle.net always have more units than I do. By the time I've established my first army and am ready to "creep" (more on this later), generally my opponent is launching some sort of assault on my base. How can this be? Sure, Andrew rushes me in Starcraft, but these thrusts are easily repelled. In Warcraft III, an early rush is a thorn in my side.

Maybe I'm not utilizing my heroes effectively enough. Perhaps I should try some multiplayer vs. the computer to determine the heroes' relative power. Maybe I should be creeping earlier in the game.

The heroes are the one huge difference between Starcraft and Warcraft III. In Warcraft III, each of the four races has access to three hero units. These units are buff and each is able to choose from several powerful abilities. (The Paladin can heal units, the Blademaster can attack for double damage, the Mage can summon a Blizzard, etc.)

The hero units gain power through experience in battle. As they gain experience, their statistics increase and they gain access to more abilities. The best way to gain experience is to "creep". Each map has numerous neutral creatures stationed throughout: trolls and golems and gnolls and dragons hide in various nooks and crannies. These creeps can be hunted for extra gold, items, and experience.

I generally wait until I have three or four basic combat units to accompany my hero before I start creeping. Given that my heroes seem to be weaker than those of my opponents, maybe I'm waiting too long. Maybe a hero ought to set out alone (or with the first combat unit) in order to become more powerful more quickly. I'll have to experiment against the computer.

Actually, now that I'm thinking out loud I realize that a large part of my problem comes from a lack of familiarity with the various units and their abilities. Because Warcraft III was crashing so often, I never played far in the single player missions. I played to perhaps the fourth Undead mission. When people complained that they couldn't do well at Starcraft, I always preached: finish the single-player campaigns. Maybe I should follow my own advice with Warcraft III!

The game is fun, there's no question. I'm just frustrated that I'm unable to do well. I was a rank novice at Jedi Outcast when I started playing it online, but was usually one of the top players in the capture-the-flag games I joined. I don't' consider myself a novice Warcraft III player, but I suck at it.

Anyone want to play multiplayer Warcraft III? Just e-mail me. Or whisper jdroth on battle.net.

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Comments
On 22 August 2002 (11:38 AM), mac said:

FYI:

I'd get my ass kicked by you on battlenet any time you wanted. Also, the game hasn't crashed on my machine once and I've played for several hours.

Macd


On 06 January 2003 (03:23 PM), steve said:

I was looking around for anything written on ppl sucking at warcraft and I stumbled across this. I can't play on battle.net to save my life. I'm lvl 4, but I got most of my wins from disconnects. 5 disconnects, 4 wins, 57 losses...as of now.

Nice article.


On 17 June 2005 (08:47 AM), TC)Yellow-Man@LordAeron said:

Hmm I was looking up a hero rush strategy :) and somehow I got this?? Google is weird! You should wait until you have about 4 archer/footmen/grunts/ghouls. Then go creep. Go for the smaller dots (usually the ones neary our base) these will usually be level 4 or lower. Level up, and while creeping, hotkey some stuff at your base (townhall tree of ages etc, some workers, unit production buildings, and upgrade building.) When your army is on its way to the next creeping station, and while there it the hotkey for the unit producing place, and get some guys (set rally point to the hero) and work on base a little bit. I don't know your skill level but this is usually where people go wrong. They don't tend to their base while creeping.


On 07 August 2005 (07:18 AM), join clan help is here said:

ok. i have a strategy for all of yous at rushing. it mite be different from ur other ones but its a hella lot better.
this is for humans.

First when the game starts
send 3 peasants to gold mine and click on ur town hall get another peasant. while ur waiting for the peasant make ur 2 idle peasants build a barracks and a farm.
when your other peasant comes out build another farm. then u should have 2 idle peasants (right the second you have your barracks KEEP BUILDING FOOTMEN NONSTOP)when you have around 3 footmen you should start building an altar and then get mountain king and use skill point on storm bolt
send 1 to lumber and make 3 more peasants from the town hall the first one to lumber then the other 2 to gold mine. then make 4 peasants to go to the lumber. keep getting farms untill you have around 48 food limit. when you fill up the food limit it is VERY important to get defend for your footmen. while your getting defend you should creep ONLY THE CLOSEST mine to you by then defend should be done or close to it.remember when your attacking you should keep gettin as many farms as you can and building as many footman right infront of the town hall. then you can attack right when you get around 1000 range away from the enemy base use defend. by then you should have a lot of spare gold and lumber build a blacksmith with an idle peasant and build a lumber mill wiht a peasant thats mining lumber(remember the lumbermill close to trees you get more wood) when you have enough money and wood get another barracks.while your attacking make sure u use storm bolt on the hero as much as possible and when you get level 2 get thunder clap and get close to a group of units then BOOM all take 60 damage and are 50%ish slower by then you should have won but if you lose that battle at your base keep gettin footmen until your barracks is done (get around 12 footmen) then with your idle peon build 3 farms. then you whould have food limit of i dont know but big get as many riflemen as u can with all your money wood (but get mountain king) you should have a ton of footmen and riflemen then at your blacksmith only get the armor upgrades for both ranged and melee. then attack again you should win.


On 07 August 2005 (07:20 AM), join clan help is here said:

ya join my clan that was my strategy please. come to channel clan bsk or whisper bsk_death

its on the west server


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