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19 February 2004 — Automatic Withdrawal (14)

I've been a customer of U.S. Bank for seventeen years, but I'm only their customer by default. On my first day at Willamette, several banks had tables in the registration area. I chose U.S. Bank because they were giving away a free Frisbee. That was a foolish choice.

I've had many complaints with U.S. Bank over the years — I'm not going to rehash them here — but I've never bothered to leave. I could blame inertia, I guess. No matter how angry they made me, I was just too lazy to go elsewhere.

U.S. Bank just raised the monthly fee on my checking account from $5 to $7. You might think that it's silly to quibble over 6-1/2 cents a day, but that's the final straw. I'm outta there (if in slow motion).

I can't leave U.S. Bank completely because my home equity loan (also through them) deducts automatically from my checking account. (Wait — maybe I can just make it deduct from another account!) I've got 3-1/2 years left on the home equity loan.

What I can do is begin the transition to a new bank by putting half of my money in a new account. I'll deposit one paycheck each month at U.S. Bank, and one paycheck at the new bank.

What I'd like from you, my trusty readers, are recommendations on banks I should consider. I'd prefer a bank that: does not charge for checking, has free on-line real-time transaction information, has ample automatic teller machines, and, most importantly, does not act like a huge bureaucracy. (U.S. Bank exemplifies the worst in Big Business, in my opinion. They're customer service is a joke.)

My business account is through Wells Fargo, and I've been pleased with their customer service. They're a candidate for my business, but I'd like to hear the pros and cons of other institutions before I make a decision. What about Washington Mutual? What about First Interstate? (Does First Interstate still exist?) What about the local institutions?

Help, please!

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Comments
On 19 February 2004 (03:10 PM), Paul said:

I find Washington Mutual's (Wamu)freeonline transactions to be efficient and easy to use. They have premium services, but I don't need them nor want to pay for them. Their 24 hour phone customer service is friendly, but is bureaucractic. There are some services that only the bank manager of your "home" bank can provide. This isn't a problem, unless you no longer live in the same county as the "home" bank. I did find that the toll-free customer service can connect you to your "home" bank during business hours. That service saved me a long distance charge. Wamu doesn't charge you to use any atm machines. You will get charged by the host bank for the transaction, but Wamu is a large national chain so I don't have to utilize other banks often. They offer free checking and free checking with interest as long as you maintain a certain balance. My college roommates are managers of Wamu's, so that taints my testimonial because they provide some insight into the bureaucracy so that I can overcome it more easily. On the other hand I rarely run into that as a problem.

Maybe I should work for them. Hmmmm.....


On 19 February 2004 (03:28 PM), Jeremy said:

West Coast Bank. Hands down the BEST customer service in the business. Suzanne (the brach VP at the Canby Branch) will transfer your loan from the FUCKS!!!! at US Bank (I have MANY terrible stories about their poor business practices). In addition everyone at the branch will treat you like their best customer. Regardless of the amount of your deposit. I ALWAYS go in, rather than using the drive through, so that I can see everyone. You might actually have to use a different branch though because they are most inconveniently located on the Fred Meyer property. I believe the service at West Coast Bank is so good you may acutally have to rethink your boycott of said property.


On 19 February 2004 (05:59 PM), Dana said:

My stuff is at Wells Fargo, but that's also because of inertia (Norest Bank got bought, and Norwest was the closest bank to my first apartment here in Minneapolis). Still, they haven't cheesed me off or anything.

The best bank I ever had was First Technology credit union when I was in Seattle. They had a modem dialup service that gave the exact same online service I have now through the web, except this was in 1993. Very cool.


On 19 February 2004 (06:07 PM), Dave said:

For many years I too was a US Bank customer. I had my personal and business accounts there. A couple of years after law school I concluded that I'd had enough. At this point I don't remember why I left, but I left in a significant snit. Perhaps it was the exorbitant cash handling fee they charged (yes, banks will charge you if you want to *OH MY GOD* deposit cash into your account!!) and the crappy customer service. It could be the fact that they have "branches" where they have pimply faced 19 year olds who can't make change, take a deposit, deal with any issue on your account other than something you could do through an atm or do anything other than direct you to the phone on the wall to call Minneapolis to talk to "Customer Service". Apparently bank branches aren't really banks anymore, they're kiosks with phones. Unfortunately Karen still has her accounts there, but only because of widespread atm access (and sheer inertia, I think).


Since then I've never regretted my decision to switch banks. Any time a client comes in for estate planning and they tell me they have US Bank I roll my eyes and know that anything I have to do with the bank will take twice as long as it should and that they can't to anything without having Minneapolis check their ass for cooties. What the hell does "corporate" in Minnesota (or North Dakota or wherever they moved it to recently) know about Oregon law?

I use the Bank of Salem (which is the same as the Bank of Portland). They don't meet your criteria, in no small part because they don't have atm machines, no branch in Canby and no online access. They may have a Woodburn branch, but I don't think so. On the other hand, I can go to the bank, they know me personally and do anything I want. They can make change. They can check my account. They can move things between accounts (and without a DNA sample). They can order new checks (something which you frequently can't do at US Bank's "branches"- you have to call customer service). If anything looks slightly funny on one of our accounts, they call me to verify it. For example, occasionally a check leaves our office without being signed, usually because it was originally stuck to the one ahead of it when we were signing the checks and it got overlooked. When it's processed they call and ask if it should be honored and to make sure it's legit. No other bank does that. Even with West Coast (of whom I have a fairly high opinion, btw) I know that on a check of less than $10,000 no human ever looks at it, much less verifies that it's signed. And their threshold is significanlty lower than Hells Fargo.

That being said, just get out of US Bank. Don't split your accounts. That's just an accounting nightmare. Plus it's going to cost you more in fees, Mr. 6.5 cents per day! Just get out!! Routing an automatic withdrawal takes all of 2 minutes, so that's not an excuse.


On 20 February 2004 (08:21 AM), Emily said:

I agree, don’t split you accounts. You will be paying two service charges and the money will always be in the account that you don’t want it in.
I went into my bank (BofA) yesterday and was surprised. I am an ATM/online user. I avoid going into a bank. The ATM is always faster then inside. But yesterday I broke down; I needed a few checkbook registers. (By the way, why do they only give you 1 register in a box of 500 checks?) There was a greeter; just like in Walmart!! “Hi, welcome to BofA, how can I help you?” It was creepy.


On 20 February 2004 (09:04 AM), Lynn said:

I have Wells Fargo. They are neither overly upsetting or overly pleasing. I walked into the bank in Canby once, to request a stop-pay on a check that I had misplaced. "Sorry," they said, "You have to call the toll-free # for that." So, slightly annoying, but no major US Bank-type mix-ups. My parents left US in a huff as well.


On 20 February 2004 (09:13 AM), Lisa said:

We LOVE First Tech Credit Union. They have a fantastic online system (no fees) and great customer service. I can always get a live, civil person on the phone, and they're very responsive by e-mail too. They're large for a credit union but relative small in banking terms, so we think we have the best of both worlds. Obviously, they don't have many branches, but we rarely if ever go in there. We even did our refinancing by fax.


On 20 February 2004 (10:54 AM), Kristin said:

Roger and I have been quite pleased with Bank of America. The ONLY drawback is no branch in Canby--but since I work in OC and Roger works in LO this is manageable. We have had absolutely no problem with customer service or mistakes on our account over the past 10 years as BofA customers. They offer 2 free checking accounts (maybe more): one requires either a balance of $10,000 in any combination of accounts or that they carry your mortgage (the account also earns interest, currently a piddly 0.10%); the other requires that you use the ATM/online banking/phone services whenever possible. I often use a debit card at the grocery store when in need of cash and no ATM is around. Of course, Roger tells me that now BofA is being investigated for late trading . . .as are many financial institutions. Good luck.


On 20 February 2004 (11:14 AM), J.D. said:

You are all so helpful and not helpful at the same time. You've given me plenty of great information, but each of you recommends a different bank. At least there's one thing upon which we can all agree: US Bank sucks.


On 20 February 2004 (01:23 PM), JENEFER said:

cREDIT UNIONS ARE GREAT. WE HAVE ONE PERSONAL ACCOUNT THERE AND THE KIDS HAVE THEIR ACCOUNTS THERE. THEY ARE GREAT OVER THE PHONE AND VERY CUSTOMER ORIENTED. I IMAGINE MOST CREDIT UNIONS ARE THE SAME. I USE WELLS FARGO FOR BUSINESS AND ONE PERSONAL ACCOUNT. I AVOID THE MONTHLY FEE BY TRANSFERRING MY "PAY CHECK" BY PHONE FROM MY BUSINESS ACCOUNT. cOULDN'T YOU DO THAT THERE IN OREGON. I HATE WAMU. THEY ARE GREAT FOR ROUTINE TRANSACTIONS, BUT REALLY, REALLY SEEM NON-RESPONSIVE FOR ANYTHING ELSE.


On 20 February 2004 (03:55 PM), Denise said:

I bank at Keybank. Stay away. I would move to a different bank myself, but I am too lazy.


On 20 February 2004 (05:43 PM), Mom (Sue) said:

Funny thing (not!) -- when I first read this, I was thinking I didn't have any complaints with U.S. Bank -- I certainly consider them better than Commercial Bank, which I had dealt with previously. But then later on I called one of the bankers at U.S. Bank about a matter of business that she had originally initiated with me (opening a new equity line at a lower rate of interest than what I'm currently paying on the old equity line), as I hadn't heard back from her since I had dropped the needed information off to her one day when I went in about it and she wasn't there. I left a message today saying that I wanted to know the status, and she called back and got my voice mail and said they were unable to give me the new equity line because I am living in a manufactured home. Whoa, Nellie! I am living in a regular house; my business's office is in a manufactured home. So I called back (again getting HER voice mail), and then called the bank's regular number and got her.
I told her about my living in a regular house and gave her my address, and said that was different from the business, and I also gave her that address. She told me that everything at the bank was listed as being at the business address. I told her that wasn't right and that it would need to be changed. After I hung up, I realized the business's account was there, and that it definitely should not be changed. I called back. She was with a customer, so the banker I talked to gave me her voice mail. I left a message letting her know the business accounts must be kept for the business as they are and going to the business address, and my personal accounts should go to my personal address. Hmmm, do you think that was plain enough? It was almost 5:00, and although I asked for a call back, I haven't heard anything. This is making me a bit nervous. Especially since reading what you all have written. I hope I haven't fouled things up for Nick! But most likely she was anxious to get out the door so hopefully has listened to the message and taken whatever steps she needed to make sure all the accounts went to the proper addresses before she left the office. Hopefully. Why don't I trust her? Hmmm . . .


On 05 August 2005 (01:56 PM), JJ said:

US Bank is fine. I think if you went and talked to a personal banker or called the 1-800 number they will switch your account to Free Checking. Also, have you ever thought about using online banking? USBank has one of the better online systems. As does Wells Fargo. I have accounts at both and find the service to be satisfactory---but far from outstanding. First, talk to your banker--- Second, evaluate your options and needs. e.g if you travel, if you use ATMs, if you want one-on-one service, what fees are associated with your accounts.


On 11 August 2005 (04:31 PM), KD said:

Whooh. If US Bank has one of the better online systems, there must be a lot of unsuspecting people getting screwed blind. I'm finding a new bank as soon as possible because of poorly documented policies and misleading information in my online statement. When I went to a branch in person to ask for clarification, nobody in the bank appeared to know the first thing about the online banking system (they pulled out some brochure with screen shots that didn't even match what I see when I log in). The branch manager all but said I shouldn't trust anything in the online statement because it's not the most up-to-date (but wait.....the website says most internet banking transactions are real-time at US Bank.....). At which point I asked him to explain the purpose of online banking if the information is not accurate. At which point he conveniently found something else to do and walked away without answering my question. There's your "five-star" service. (Sorry, this happened recently and I'm still cooling off. It's one in a long string of financially frustrating and damaging screwups, courtesy of US Bank.)


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