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30 March 2004 — Unhip (14)

I am so unhip.

I'm almost completely ignorant of modern pop music, and especially of rap and hip-hop. I've been trying to pay attention to the iTunes Music Store top downloads recently; they're a way for me to feel a little more in touch. And you know, I really like some of this music.

I downloaded "Hey Ya!" by Outkast a few weeks ago. I like the song. A lot. Last week I downloaded "Hey Mama" by The Black Eyed Peas. Whatddya know? I like that song, too. Maybe I should listen to more rap.

I am so unhip.

Mostly, rap seems like only so much noise to me. Still, I know there are rap songs that I like. Here is a list of the rap albums I've bought in my lifetime:

Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill

I am so unhip.

I was listening to "Hey Mama" yesterday. Tony came in, excited (and surprised) that I was listening to The Black Eyed Peas. (Tony's still very much into pop music even though he's over thirty and has two kids. (These two facts, to me, are indicators that a person might not be into pop any more.))

"I was going to buy this album today," he said. He seemed amused that I like the song.

Today Tony told me that he bought The Black Eyed Peas and No Doubt: The Singles 1992-2003 yesterday.

"What's on the No Doubt?" I ask. "Three songs?"

He glares at me. "No way, man," he says. "That disc is awesome. Just listen to it." He puts it into the CD player. He plays snippets of each song.

"You know more than just three songs," he says.

"Not really," I say. "Wait — I know this song. It's a cover of an 80s synthpop song. I know four songs."

Tony shakes his head at me.

I am so unhip.

While Tony's occupied, I go root through his car for The Black Eyed Peas. When I find it, I take it to my office and blast it so that it fills the entire trailer with rap. Or is it hip-hop?

"Are the Black Eyed Peas rap or hip-hop?" I ask Tony.

"Rap," he says without hesitation.

"How can you tell the difference?" I ask.

I am so unhip.

Tony can't explain the difference. "Go ask Nick," he says. That's a little joke. Nick is even more unhip than I am. I ask him anyhow. His answer is a bunch of jarble.

I go back to my office and listen to The Black Eyed Peas. I really like the disc.

As I'm listening to "Shut Up", my favorite song on the album, Nick comes in with a printout from Yahoo! It's a Q&A explaining the difference between rap and hip-hop. "It's not a very good explanation," he says. He goes to google for another explanation. He returns with this one. Neither answer is satisfactory. Later, I look up the differences in the wikipedia (rap, hip-hop), but am only slightly less confused.

It's not fair to say that I dislike rap music. I don't dislike it anymore than, say, country music. But, as with country music, my tastes are very specific. I mostly like certain folk-sounding female country musicians: Mary-Chapin Carpenter, Alison Krauss, Dolly Parton, etc. Similarly, I mostly like more melodic, less in-your-face rap/hip-hop: Lauryn Hill, The Black Eyed Peas, TLC (do they count?), etc.

As I'm writing this entry, listening to The Black Eyed Peas, song #8 comes on: "Sexy". I'm shocked to hear the opening bars of "How Insenstive", a pop standard (MIDI file), lilting over the rap beat. It's stuff like this that wins me over to any kind of music: tacit acknowledgment of the music's roots. All modern music owes a debt to that which has come before, but that's a subject for another day.

I am so unhip.

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Comments
On 30 March 2004 (04:00 PM), Denise said:

'No Doubt: The Singles 1992-2003' is one of my favorite CDs as well.

Hmm...perhaps you're not unhip, perhaps you are just out of date.


On 30 March 2004 (06:21 PM), tammy said:

And I have no idea what any of it is. Does that make me unhip or does that make me from Mars?


On 30 March 2004 (06:46 PM), Dana said:

Well, I'm not hip either -- I'm sure that comes as an enormous shock to you all =). I know most (but not all) of the artists JD mentioned, but not most of the songs. I think a deeper question is, why does the implication that you are unhip bother you? What's so great about being hip? What are you missing by not being hip? How does being hip enrich your life?

Sorry, after all those 'hip' repetitions, I have to quote HHGG: "I am so hip I have trouble seeing over my pelvis!" -- Z. Beeblebrox


On 30 March 2004 (07:11 PM), J.D. Roth said:

Dana said: Why does the implication that you are unhip bother you?

It doesn't bother me so much as it amuses me. Don't you remember how when you were a kid it was so exasperating to deal with adults, adults who just weren't hip. They had no idea who Duran Duran were or Culture Club or Naked Eyes. Their idea of great music was Simon and Garfunkel and Neil Diamond and Linda Rondstadt.

Now the tables have turned. My idea of good music is Indigo Girls and Natalie Merchant and any number of groups from my formative years. Had I frequent contact with teenagers, I'd be just oozing unhipness.

It's funny.


On 30 March 2004 (07:47 PM), Dana said:
Don't you remember how when you were a kid it was so exasperating to deal with adults, adults who just weren't hip.

Ah, I see the problem.

JD, you underestimate how unhip I was back when I was a kid. I didn't start listening to the radio and pop-music until college, aside from a smattering of MTV and VH-1 when I was in high school.

I was just as unhip as the adults, basically. Still am, really.

It's funny.

Ah. Ha ha. ;)


On 30 March 2004 (08:02 PM), Denise said:

I like Neil Diamond, watch it! ;)


On 30 March 2004 (08:32 PM), Nikchick said:

Hey JD, I could ask my friend who toured around with the Beastie Boys back in the day. I'm sure he could give you a decent definition of what's rap, what's hip hop, and what's the difference.


On 30 March 2004 (10:07 PM), Lynn said:

Yeah, Denise, but some things are SO unhip they're cool, eg. Neil Diamond, Johnny Cash, Frank Sinatra, Joni Mitchell. At least, in my opinion.


On 31 March 2004 (12:29 AM), mart said:

hip hop is a culture, rap is a music.

btw: i wouldn't worry about being unhip JD, i'd worry more about having crappy taste. :) that is pretty well lousy rap music yr exposing yrself to. completely created for maximum market appeal... if you ever wanna get with the program someday, i can probably come up with a top 5 or 10 essential rap cds with soul and integrity but which might also rattle a little of that unhip right the fuck off you.


On 31 March 2004 (07:13 AM), Joel said:

Mart sed: "that is pretty well lousy rap music yr exposing yrself to. completely created for maximum market appeal...." Granted, but that singer from Black Eyed Peas is HOT. Kind of ridiculous for a young-Michelle Pfeifferesque waif to be coming off like Q. Latifah, but still hot.
By the by, Mart, congrats on Bacon's dismantling of Sunset Warriors (whom I played for last season).


On 31 March 2004 (07:18 AM), J.D. Roth said:

You know, I don't think I've ever heard Joel say that any woman was hot. I think he means it.

Mart said: that is pretty well lousy rap music yr exposing yrself to. completely created for maximum market appeal

Oh, I know it. I realize that I'm listening to the pop end of stuff. It's not crime to like it, though, and I do. I feel my taste is esoteric enough in most instances to allow myself certain indulgences! :)

Actually, I'd love to hear Mart's rap recommendations. I need the unhip rattled "right the fuck off" me...


On 31 March 2004 (01:01 PM), pril said:

The Roots! Good stuff! Grab some!


On 31 March 2004 (05:02 PM), Betsy said:

Hey! I used to be hip a very long time ago. Then I had small children, my musical tastes calcified, and I spent too much time listening to crappy kids music. Verdict: very very un-hip.

However, I liberated myself - and by doing so, tipped my kids into some good stuff as well (and vice-versa now that my son is approaching middle school.)

Voila! I am hip again (at the age of 41, no less...)

I echo pril's suggestion of The Roots - try the new one, Phrenology (they did backup work live at the Grammys for Eminem last year). I also really like Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow. And there is some good Eminem stuff out there, believe it or not (my son loves 'Lose Yourself' from the Eight Mile soundtrack.)

Given your female musical choices, I'd suggest the following for some variety:

* Suzy Bogguss. Country singer, but not treacly. Amazing voice. Her latest album, Swing, visits old standards and introduces some new songs.
* Joan Osborne - How Sweet It Is. She remakes some old soul and Motown standards (she's one of the artists featured in the Standing in the Shadows of Motown documentary), and it's well worth listening to.
* What about Gillian Welch or Lucinda Williams? They fit nicely into your preferred genre...



On 21 April 2005 (02:07 PM), Greg Brady said:

Odd that I'd run across this as I'm trying to purposefully make my way through my mammoth music collection and re-assess what I've accumulated over the years. Anyhow, I'm 34 and somewhat in the middle on hipness...I try to stay up-to-date musically so I don't miss out but I'm not ashamed to admit I only like SOME of what makes it onto the charts these days (in all genres)...I've become pickier about what I listen to as I age.

I don't honestly think there's anything made within the last couple years I'd say I loved other than U2's last couple albums. (My wife listens to more current stuff than I predominantly and she has some stuff she's trying to get me to check out so who knows...)

I'll second the Blackalicious recommendation and add Jurassic 5 to that list. Also as far as country singers go, Welch and Williams are excellent (though I wouldn't say either of them are folkies..Welch tends a bit toward acoustic blues, Williams toward rock). You might like some of Kathy Mattea's EARLY stuff. (she got more produced the longer she stayed in Nashville..try to see if your library has "Willow in the Wind" as a starter). If you liked Elton in the 70s (when he still actually did rock music), then you might like some the Scissor Sisters..it reminds me quite a bit of that era Elton.

And to Lynn:
>Yeah, Denise, but some things are SO unhip >they're cool, eg. Neil Diamond, Johnny Cash, >Frank Sinatra, Joni Mitchell. At least, in my >opinion

Actually Sinatra, Mitchell, and Cash are just plain cool: no modifier needed. Diamond's 60s rock stuff was still good, the 70s stuff is iffier..he turns to cheese in the 80s (though "America" and "Love on the Rocks" are guilty pleasures of mine..)


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