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01 June 2004 — My Liberal Agenda (21)

I'm not big on passing stuff around the internet. Sometimes, though, I make an exception. I hope you'll bear with me, as the pieces I'm passing on today are rather lengthy. I promise you, though, they're good (and better than anything I could write). And if, like me, you have at least a little Liberal in you, they'll rile you but good.

For example, this Metafilter thread pointed to this weblog entry which reprints a letter-to-the-editor that I particularly like. So I'm reprinting it, too.

Letter to the Editor
by Sharon Underwood, Sunday, April 30, 2000
from the Valley News (White River Junction, VT/Hanover, NH)

As the mother of a gay son, I've seen firsthand how cruel and misguided people can be.

Many letters have been sent to the Valley News concerning the homosexual menace in Vermont. I am the mother of a gay son and I've taken enough from you good people.

I'm tired of your foolish rhetoric about the "homosexual agenda" and your allegations that accepting homosexuality is the same thing as advocating sex with children. You are cruel and ignorant. You have been robbing me of the joys of motherhood ever since my children were tiny.

My firstborn son started suffering at the hands of the moral little thugs from your moral, upright families from the time he was in the first grade. He was physically and verbally abused from first grade straight through high school because he was perceived to be gay.

He never professed to be gay or had any association with anything gay, but he had the misfortune not to walk or have gestures like the other boys. He was called "fag" incessantly, starting when he was 6.

In high school, while your children were doing what kids that age should be doing, mine labored over a suicide note, drafting and redrafting it to be sure his family knew how much he loved them. My sobbing 17-year-old tore the heart out of me as he choked out that he just couldn't bear to continue living any longer, that he didn't want to be gay and that he couldn't face a life without dignity.

You have the audacity to talk about protecting families and children from the homosexual menace, while you yourselves tear apart families and drive children to despair. I don't know why my son is gay, but I do know that God didn't put him, and millions like him, on this Earth to give you someone to abuse. God gave you brains so that you could think, and it's about time you started doing that.

At the core of all your misguided beliefs is the belief that this could never happen to you, that there is some kind of subculture out there that people have chosen to join. The fact is that if it can happen to my family, it can happen to yours, and you won't get to choose. Whether it is genetic or whether something occurs during a critical time of fetal development, I don't know. I can only tell you with an absolute certainty that it is inborn.

If you want to tout your own morality, you'd best come up with something more substantive than your heterosexuality. You did nothing to earn it; it was given to you. If you disagree, I would be interested in hearing your story, because my own heterosexuality was a blessing I received with no effort whatsoever on my part. It is so woven into the very soul of me that nothing could ever change it. For those of you who reduce sexual orientation to a simple choice, a character issue, a bad habit or something that can be changed by a 10-step program, I'm puzzled. Are you saying that your own sexual orientation is nothing more than something you have chosen, that you could change it at will? If that's not the case, then why would you suggest that someone else can?

A popular theme in your letters is that Vermont has been infiltrated by outsiders. Both sides of my family have lived in Vermont for generations. I am heart and soul a Vermonter, so I'll thank you to stop saying that you are speaking for "true Vermonters."

You invoke the memory of the brave people who have fought on the battlefield for this great country, saying that they didn't give their lives so that the "homosexual agenda" could tear down the principles they died defending. My 83-year-old father fought in some of the most horrific battles of World War II, was wounded and awarded the Purple Heart.

He shakes his head in sadness at the life his grandson has had to live. He says he fought alongside homosexuals in those battles, that they did their part and bothered no one. One of his best friends in the service was gay, and he never knew it until the end, and when he did find out, it mattered not at all. That wasn't the measure of the man.

You religious folk just can't bear the thought that as my son emerges from the hell that was his childhood he might like to find a lifelong companion and have a measure of happiness. It offends your sensibilities that he should request the right to visit that companion in the hospital, to make medical decisions for him or to benefit from tax laws governing inheritance.

How dare he? you say. These outrageous requests would threaten the very existence of your family, would undermine the sanctity of marriage.

You use religion to abdicate your responsibility to be thinking human beings. There are vast numbers of religious people who find your attitudes repugnant. God is not for the privileged majority, and God knows my son has committed no sin.

The deep-thinking author of a letter to the April 12 Valley News who lectures about homosexual sin and tells us about "those of us who have been blessed with the benefits of a religious upbringing" asks: "What ever happened to the idea of striving...to be better human beings than we are?"

Indeed, sir, what ever happened to that?

Brilliant.

And just to throw my weight completely behind Liberal Cause — if only for today — here's a bit that Kavan forwarded to Kris. This was originally published in The Independent Weekly, a paper out of North Carolina. It's written by a journalist named Hal Crowther. (I've linked to many terms in order to annotate this piece.)

I used to take a drink on occasion with a network newsman famed for his impenetrable calm — his apparent pulse rate that of a large mammal in deep hibernation — and in an avuncular moment he advised me that I'd do all right, in the long run, if I could only avoid the kind of journalism committed to the keyboard "with trembling fingers." I recognized the wisdom of this advice and endeavored over the years to write as little as possible when my blood pressure was soaring and my face was streaked with tears. The lava flows of indignation ebb predictably with age and hardening arteries, and nearing three-score I thought I'd never have to take another tranquilizer — or a double bourbon — to keep my fingers steady on the keys.

I never imagined 2004. It would be sophomoric to say that there was never a worse year to be an American. My own memory preserves the dread summer of 1968. My parents suffered the consequences of 1941 and 1929, and my grandfather Jack Allen, who lived through all those dark years, might have added 1918, with the flu epidemic and the Great War in France that each failed, very narrowly, to kill him. Drop back another generation or two and we encounter 1861.

But if this is not the worst year yet to be an American, it's the worst year by far to be one of those hag-ridden wretches who comment on the American scene. The columnist who trades in snide one-liners flounders like a stupid comic with a tired audience; TV comedians and talk-show hosts who try to treat 2004 like any zany election year have become grotesque, almost loathsome. Our most serious, responsible newspaper columnists are so stunned by the disaster in Iraq that they've begun to quote poetry by Rupert Brooke and Wilfred Owen. They lower their voices; they sound like Army chaplains delivering eulogies over ranks of flag-draped coffins, under a hard rain from an iron sky.

Yeats' "blood-dimmed tide is loosed." The war news has already deteriorated from bad to tragic to pre-apocalyptic, which leaves no suitable category for these excruciating reports on the sexual torture of Iraqi prisoners. Fingers, be still. In less than a year, the morale of the occupying forces has sunk so low that murder, suicide, rape and sexual harassment have become alarming statistics, and now the warriors of democracy — the emissaries of civilization — stand accused of every crime this side of cannibalism. Osama bin Laden has always anathematized America's culture, as well as its geopolitical influence. To him these atrocities are a sign of Allah's certain favor, a great moral victory, a vindication of his deepest anger and darkest crimes.

Where does it go from here? The nightmare misadventure in Iraq is over, beyond the reach of any reasonable argument, though many more body bags will be filled. In Washington, chicken hawks will still be squawking about "digging in" and winning, but Vietnam proved conclusively that no modern war of occupation will ever be won. Every occupation is doomed. The only way you "win" a war of occupation is the old-fashioned way, the way Rome finally defeated the Carthaginians: kill all the fighters, enslave everyone else, raze the cities and sow the fields with salt.

Otherwise the occupied people will fight you to the last peasant, and why shouldn't they? If our presidential election fails to dislodge the crazy bastards who annexed Baghdad, many of us in this country would welcome regime change by any intervention, human or divine. But if, say, the Chinese came in to rescue us — Operation American Freedom — how long would any of us, left-wing or right, put up with an occupying army teaching us Chinese-style democracy? A guerrilla who opposes an invading army on his own soil is not a terrorist, he's a resistance fighter. In Iraq we're not fighting enemies but making enemies. As Richard Clarke and others have observed, every dollar, bullet and American life that we spend in Iraq is one that's not being spent in the war on terrorism. Every Iraqi, every Muslim we kill or torture or humiliate is a precious shot of adrenaline for Osama and al Qaeda.

The irreducible truth is that the invasion of Iraq was the worst blunder, the most staggering miscarriage of judgment, the most fateful, egregious, deceitful abuse of power in the history of American foreign policy. If you don't believe it yet, just keep watching. Apologists strain to dismiss parallels with Vietnam, but the similarities are stunning. In every action our soldiers kill innocent civilians, and in every other action apparent innocents kill our soldiers — and there's never any way to sort them out. And now these acts of subhuman sadism, these little My Lais.

Since the defining moment of the Bush presidency, the preposterous flight-suit, Fox News-produced photo-op on the USS Abraham Lincoln in front of the banner that read "Mission Accomplished," the shaming truth is that everything has gone wrong. Just as it was bound to go wrong, as many of us predicted it would go wrong — if anything, more hopelessly wrong than any of us would have dared to prophesy. Iraq is an epic trainwreck, and there's not a single American citizen who's going to walk away unscathed.

The shame of this truth, of such a failure and so much deceit exposed, would have brought on mass resignations or votes of no confidence in any free country in the world. In Japan not long ago, there would have been ritual suicides, shamed officials disemboweling themselves with samurai swords. Yet up to this point — at least to the point where we see grinning soldiers taking pictures of each other over piles of naked Iraqis — neither the president, the vice president nor any of the individuals who urged and designed this debacle have resigned or been terminated — or even apologized. They have betrayed no familiarity with the concept of shame.

Thousands of young Americans are dead, maimed or mutilated, XXX billions of dollars have been wasted and all we've gained is a billion new enemies and a mouthful of dust — of sand. Chaos reigns, but in the midst of it we have this presidential election. George Bush has defined himself as a war president, and it's fitting that the war should be his undoing. But even now the damned polls don't guarantee, or even indicate, his demise.

Conventional wisdom says that an incumbent president with a $200 million war chest cannot be defeated, and that one who commands a live, bleeding, suffering army in the field is doubly invincible. By this logic, the most destructively incompetent president since Andrew Johnson will be rewarded with a second term. That would probably mean a military draft and more wars in the oil countries, and, under visionaries like Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz, a chance for the USA to emulate 19th-century Paraguay, which simultaneously declared war on Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay and fought ferociously until 90% of the male population was dead.

What hope then? Impeachment is impossible when the president's party controls both houses of Congress, though Watergate conspirator John Dean, who ought to know, claims in his new book that there are compelling legal arguments for a half dozen bills of impeachment against George W. Bush. Peer pressure? At the White House, world opinion gets no more respect than FBI memos or uncomfortable facts. Many Americans seem unaware that scarcely anyone on the planet Earth supported the Iraq adventure, no one anywhere except the 40-50 million Republican loyalists who voted for George Bush in 2000.

Among significant world leaders he recruited only Great Britain's Tony Blair — whose career may be ruined because most Britons disagree with him — and the abominable Ariel Sharon, that vile tub of blood and corruption who recently used air-to-ground missiles to assassinate a paraplegic in a wheelchair at the door of his mosque. (Palestinians quickly squandered any sympathy or moral advantage they gained from this atrocity by strapping a retarded 16-year-old into a suicide bomber's kit. Such is the condition of the human race in the Middle East, variously known as the Holy Land or the Cradle of Civilization.) Says Sharon, oleaginously, of Bush: "Something in his soul committed him to act with great courage against world terror."

The rest of the known world, along with the United Nations, has been dead set against us from the start. But they carry no weight. Thanks to our tax dollars and the well-fed, strong but not bulletproof bodies of our children — though mostly children from lower-income families — George Bush and his lethal team of oil pirates, Cold Warriors and Likudists commands the most formidable military machine on earth. No nation, with the possible exception of China, would ever dare to oppose them directly.

But the Chinese aren't coming to save us. Nothing and no one can stop these people except you and me, and the other 100 million or so American citizens who may vote in the November election. This isn't your conventional election, the usual dim-witted, media-managed Mister America contest where candidates vie for charm and style points and hire image coaches to help them act more confident and presidential. This is a referendum on what is arguably the most dismal performance by any incumbent president — and inarguably the biggest mistake. This is a referendum on George W. Bush, arguably the worst thing that has happened to the United States of America since the invention of the cathode ray tube.

One problem with this referendum is that the case against George Bush is much too strong. Just to spell it out is to sound like a bitter partisan. I sit here on the 67th birthday of Saddam Hussein facing a haystack of incriminating evidence that comes almost to my armpit. What matters most, what signifies? Journalists used to look for the smoking gun, but this time we have the cannons of Waterloo, we have Gettysburg and Sevastopol, we have enough gunsmoke to cause asthma in heaven. I'm overwhelmed. Maybe I should light a match to this mountain of paper and immolate myself. On the near side of my haystack, among hundreds of quotes circled and statistics underlined, just one thing leaped out at me. A quote I had underlined was from the testimony of Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg trials, not long before Hitler's vice-fuhrer poisoned himself in his jail cell:

"... It is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

Goering's dark wisdom gained weight when a friend called me and reported that Vice President Cheney was so violently partisan in his commencement speech at Westminster College in Missouri — so rabid in his attacks on John Kerry as a anti-American peace-marching crypto-communist — that the college president felt obliged to send the student body an email apologizing for Cheney's coarseness.

If you think it's exceptionally shameless for a man who dodged Vietnam to play the patriot card against a decorated veteran, remember that Georgia Republicans played the same card, successfully, against Sen. Max Cleland, who suffered multiple amputations in Vietnam. In 2001 and 2002, George Bush and his Machiavelli, Karl Rove, approved political attack ads that showed the faces of Tom Daschle and other Democratic senators alongside the faces of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. And somewhere in hell, Goering and Goebbels toasted each other with a schnapps.

Am I polarized? I've never been a registered Democrat, I'm sick of this two-party straitacket, I wish to God it didn't take Yale and a major American fortune to create a presidential candidate. The only current Democratic leaders who show me any courage are Nancy Pelosi and old Bob Byrd — Hillary Clinton has been especially cagy and gutless on this war — and John Kerry himself may leave a lot to be desired. He deserves your vote not because of anything he ever did or promises to do, but simply because he did not make this sick mess in Iraq and owes no allegiance to the sinister characters who designed it. And because his own "place in history," so important to the kind of men who run for president, would now rest entirely on his success in getting us out of it.

Kerry made a courageous choice at least once in his life, when he came home with his ribbons and demonstrated against the war in Vietnam. But Sen. Kerry could turn out to be a stiff, a punk, an alcoholic, and he'd still be a colossal improvement over the man who turned Paul Wolfowitz loose in the Middle East. The myth that there was no real difference between Democrats and Republicans, which I once considered seriously and which Ralph Nader rode to national disaster four years ago, was shattered forever the day George Bush announced his cabinet and his appointments for the Department of Defense.

I'm aware that there are voters — 40 million? — who don't see it this way. I come from a family of veterans and commissioned officers; I understand patriots in wartime. If a spotted hyena stepped out of Air Force One wearing a baby-blue necktie, most Americans would salute and sing "Hail to the Chief." President Bush cultivated his patriots by spending $46 million on media in the month of March alone. Somehow I'm on his mailing list. (Is that because my late father, with the same name, was a registered Republican, or can Bush afford to mail his picture to every American with an established address?) Twice a week I open an appeal for cash to crush John Kerry and the quisling liberal conspiracy, and now I own six gorgeous color photographs of the president and his wife. I'm sure some of my neighbors frame the president's color photographs and fill those little blue envelopes he sends us with their hard-earned dollars.

I struggle against the suspicion that so many of my fellow Americans are conceptually challenged. I want to reason with my neighbors; I want to engage these lost Americans. What makes you angry, neighbor? What arouses your suspicions? Does it bother you that this administration made terrorism a low priority, dismissed key intelligence that might have prevented the 9/11 catastrophe, then exploited it to justify the pre-planned destruction of Saddam Hussein, who had nothing to do with al Qaeda? All this is no longer conjecture, but direct reportage from cabinet-level meetings by the turncoat insiders Richard Clarke and Paul O'Neill.

If the Pentagon ever thought Saddam had "weapons of mass destruction," it was only because the Pentagon gave them to him. As Kevin Phillips recounts in American Dynasty, officials of the Reagan and first Bush administrations eagerly supplied Saddam with arms while he was using chemical weapons on the Kurds. They twice sent Donald Rumsfeld to court Saddam, in 1983 and 1984, when the dictator was in the glorious prime of his monsterhood.

This scandal, concurrent with Iran-Contra, was briefly called "Iraqgate," and, yes, among the names of those officials implicated you'll find most of the engineers of our current foreign policy. (They also signaled their fractious client, Saddam, that it might be all right to overrun part of Kuwait; you remember what happened when he tried to swallow it all.) Does any of this trouble you? Does it worry you that Dick Cheney, as president of the nefarious Halliburton Corporation, sold Iraq $73 million in oilfield services between 1997 and 2000, even as he plotted with the Wolfowitz faction to whack Saddam? Or that Halliburton, with its CEO's seat still warm from Cheney's butt, was awarded unbid contracts worth up to $15 billion for the Iraq invasion, and currently earns a billion dollars a month from this bloody disaster? Not to mention its $27.4 million overcharge for our soldiers' food.

These are facts, not partisan rhetoric. Do any of them even make you restless? The cynical game these shape-shifters have been playing in the Middle East is too Byzantine to unravel in 1,000 pages of text. But the hypocrisy of the White House is palpable, and beggars belief. If there's one American who actually believes that Operation Iraqi Freedom was about democracy for the poor Iraqis, then you, my friend, are too dangerously stupid to be allowed near a voting booth.

Does it bother you even a little that the personal fortunes of all four Bush brothers, including the president and the governor, were acquired about a half step ahead of the district attorney, and that the royal family of Saudi Arabia invested $1.476 billion in those and other Bush family enterprises? Or, as Paul Krugman points out, that it's much easier to establish links between the Bush and bin Laden families than any between the bin Ladens and Saddam Hussein. Do you know about Ahmad Chalabi, the administration's favorite Iraqi and current agent in Baghdad, whose personal fortune was established when he embezzled several hundred million from his own bank in Jordan and fled to London to avoid 22 years at hard labor?

That's just a sampling from my haystack. Maybe I can reach you as an environmentalist, one who resents the gutting of key provisions in the Clean Air Act? My own Orange County, N.C., chiefly a rural area, was recently added to a national register of counties with dangerously polluted air. You say you vote for the president because you're a conservative. Are you sure? I thought conservatives believed in civil liberties, a weak federal executive, an inviolable Constitution, a balanced budget and an isolationist foreign policy. George Bush has an attorney general who drives the ACLU apoplectic and a vice president who demands more executive privilege (for his energy seances) than any elected official has ever received. The president wants a Constitutional amendment to protect marriage from homosexuals, of all things. Between tax cuts for his high-end supporters and three years playing God and Caesar in the Middle East, George Bush has simply emptied America's wallet with a $480 billion federal deficit projected for 2004 and the tab on Iraq well over $100 billion and running.

"A lot of so-called conservatives today don't know what the word means," Barry Goldwater said in 1994, when the current cult of right-wing radicals and "neocons" had begun to define and assert themselves. Goldwater was my first political hero, before I was old enough to read his flaws. But his was the conservatism of the wolf — the lone wolf — and this is the conservatism of sheep.

All it takes to make a Bush conservative is a few slogans from talk radio and pickup truck bumpers, a sneer at "liberals" and maybe a name-dropping nod to Edmund Burke or John Locke, whom most of them have never read. Sheep and sheep only could be herded by a ludicrous but not harmless cretin like Rush Limbaugh, who has just compared the sexual abuse of Iraqi prisoners to "a college fraternity prank" (and who once called Chelsea Clinton "the family dog" — you don't have to worry about shame when you have no brain).

I don't think it's accurate to describe America as polarized between Democrats and Republicans, or between liberals and conservatives. It's polarized between the people who believe George Bush and the people who do not. Thanks to some contested ballots in a state governed by the president's brother, a once-proud country has been delivered into the hands of liars, thugs, bullies, fanatics and thieves. The world pities or despises us, even as it fears us. What this election will test is the power of money and media to fool us, to obscure the truth and alter the obvious, to hide a great crime against the public trust under a blood-soaked flag. The most lavishly funded, most cynical, most sophisticated political campaign in human history will be out trolling for fools. I pray to God it doesn't catch you.

Hal Crowther is a former writer for Time and Newsweek, the Buffalo News and the North Carolina Spectator before parking his column at the weekly Independent in Durham, N.C., and The Progressive Populist, among others. He won the H.L. Mencken Award for column writing in 1992. Write him at 219 N. Churton St., Hillsborough, NC 27278.

Wow. Just wow.

I'll be back tomorrow.

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Comments
On 01 June 2004 (12:57 PM), J.D. said:

As related reading, Betsy's been sharing some poignant entries that may be of interest.


On 01 June 2004 (02:07 PM), Johnny said:

My friends and family have grown weary of my endless diatriabe against the Bush administration, but I'm going to give an additional plug here. Among other things, it is the use of language and rhetoric in this administration that is very troubling to me.

Consider this: In the last 40 years we have declared "war" on terror, AIDS, cancer, Homelessness, Poverty, Spam, pornography, illiteracy, crime, and last but not least, drugs. The two major things that each of these have in common is that a) they've each publicized a problem and made us more aware of it, and b) they've all been a complete failure by nearly all criteria you may choose to apply.

What is troubling about this is that the rhetoric has been gradually sharpened over time until we find ourselves at this juncture. Think about the "War on Terror". Clearly this is first and foremost a rhetorical tool that we use to justify our actions under an umbrella of righteous action. Are we actually, legally, "at War"? Answer- probably not. Only Congress has the right to declare war and it has not chosen to draft a declaration of war. Instead, there was a measure which allowed Bush the authority to take "whatever steps necessary" to deal with terrorism.

Second, I know that we're not at war because if we were at war then there are certain rules that are supposed to apply. When we take prisoners, for example, they are "prisoners of war". But we don't have many of those. We have "enemy combatants".

But any excesses that we may have are justified because they are done in furtherance of our "war". VP Cheney in the speech referenced above frequently references our "war" and what we must do to fight the war. We can bomb, kill, maim, seize prisoners and hold them incommunicado (even US citizens), and take people's property. Being at war justifies the taking of life, of liberty and of property. Having rhetorically declared war we can now realistically obliterate our previously declared values.

But realize what this "War" is. It is a rhetorical tool that is used to frighten us and herd us into the appropriate pens so that we can be ridden and sheared like the herd animals that we are becoming. What would happen if we decided to suddenly apply the same tactics to the war on poverty that we do to the "war on terror"? How many people die each year in this country because of poverty induced causes? I'm willing to bet more than died at the World Trade Center. But what do you think would happen if we rounded up Bill Gates, Paul Allen, Steve Forbes, Phillip Anschutz, Mickey Arison, Arthur Blank, Steve Ballmer, Warren Buffet, Larry Ellison, Phil Knight, and Sam Walton's family and told them they couldn't talk to anyone until after they'd told us where all the money was so that we could deal with all of the poor people? Or what if we piled all of them up, naked, in a pyramid? Smeared them with shit and handcuffed them to a stair rail?

But because it's a war on "terror" that's ok.

There is no love lost between me and the Democratic party. I am a traditional conservative. The best government is the government that governs least. It is the government that doesn't tell me who I can and cannot sleep with, that keeps it's filthy ape paws out of my wallet and it's stinky nose out of my business. A good government doesn't care what color I am, how old I am, or who I know. It only cares that I've given it enough money to carry out the mandate that I've given it. A good government is righteously scared of the fact that it's population is armed and will resist injustice by any means necessary. A good government is limited by the rules that I've put into place and it cannot step outside of those rules.

I think that John Kerry is the lesser of two evils in this election, but not by much. The difference between the parties in overall philosophy is minute at the moment, BUT... In order to get rid of GW Bush and the "neocons", I'm willing to sleep with the Democratic party for an election. It will be a first, so I suppose that you could say that Bush was a gateway politician and that John Kerry took my virginity. Or maybe it's the other way around. Sadly it may be both.


On 01 June 2004 (02:18 PM), Schmela said:

Thanks for posting both of these excellent pieces. I'll have plenty to think about while I head out to do some yardwork.


On 01 June 2004 (02:25 PM), Mom (Sue) said:

At first I didn't think I would read all of Crowther's article but I'm glad I did. I had been thinking previously that, while I didn't want to vote for George Bush in Oregon's primary, and actually didn't although registered Republican because I messed up my ballot too late to get a new one, I wasn't all that crazy about John Kerry, either. I just wish I could get rid of my cynical belief that once they get in office, they all seem to be the same. But thanks to this article, I may give John Kerry a second look.


On 01 June 2004 (03:36 PM), Joel said:

Mr. Crowther's column contained the following inaccuracy: Ahmad Chalabi is no longer the administration's favorite Iraqi.


On 01 June 2004 (04:15 PM), Jeremy said:

Fuckin-A Dude! Go Hal. You tell 'em Sharon! Great writing and excellent sentiments by the authors, perfect selections by JD. I am going to recommend this to my VERY LIBERAL uncle Ray. He will enjoy it.


On 01 June 2004 (04:44 PM), Betsy said:

I'm so so so so sick of the polarization. "If you support this, then you must believe that..." "If you support that, then we must be on totally opposite sides and I must hurl invectives at you."

Thanks, JD, for the support. But more importantly, thanks for both of those pieces, the Crowther one in particular. I just might have to use an excerpt myself in tomorrow's post...


On 01 June 2004 (08:10 PM), Adam said:

The first article was great.

That being said, the second article upsets me for a few reasons that I may have trouble explaining thouroghly. I know JD's post is a Haven for Liberal views, but I am his cousin and I read his blog faithfully, and enjoy his witty, entertianing and at times thought provocing posts. This article of Mr. Crowther's compells me to say my peice today.

Mr. Crowther states that Kerry brought home his ribbons and Purple Hearts to show he was a veteran, but according to an article in US Weekly, in all three instances Kerry's medals were earned from scratches and small wounds that most soldiers treated themselves. With those three purple hearts that Kerry "earned" he was home in 8 months instead of the usual year long tour of duty. Should we follow someone that can't take care of his own srapes?

Second, all this lesser of two evils talk is very disturbing. If you're going to vote for someone do it because you believe in them, not because you hate someone else.

Third, according to an Editorial in my local paper(The Orange County Register), Kerry proposes such things as raising minimum wage. I currently have a job that started me at minimum and I had to work hard to increase my pay. Raising minimum wage would cause employers to cut jobs (because of labor costs) and therefore unemployment would rise. Hmmmm, that sounds good, maybe I could find something to do with my time if I get laid off, or is Kerry going to give me a job. I think not. Maybe tax payer will have to support me. I don't like the sound of that, do you?

Fourth, people say this is not a war, and in most respects, politically I guess its not, but tell that to the soldiers dying everday, and thier brothers in arms and thier children and husbands and wives and parents and siblings, tell them this isn't war, tell them their sons died in something that is not war and see if they belive you, only war kills like this.

I'm not saying that Bush is right or Kerry is right. I just think that Mr. Crowther's article is just more rhetoric, calling Democrats to arms, just as Bush's campaign calls Republicans to arms. It's hard when niether desicion is good, I guess that's why we have to sit down and think for ourselves, make sure we decided what's important to us and our families, not what's important to some award winning journalist. So, what I say is you decide for youself...not everyone else for you.


On 01 June 2004 (09:23 PM), Ray said:

Adam,

I also am uncomfortable voting for the lesser of two evils. Hannah Arendt said, "Those who choose the lesser evil forget quickly they choose evil." (But believe me my criticisms of Kerry are very different from yours.) Crowther says he has no particular love for Kerry, nor do I.

So, you say, vote for someone because you believe in him, not because you hate the other guy. Well, that's a nice thought. But, what do you do in the current situation where you may dislike the positions of one person but are absolutely appalled (too tame a word) at the actions of the other.

What's your alternative for voting for the lesser of two evils--vote for the greater evil?

Also, it is interesting that you criticize Kerry's medals but say nothing of Bush's wonderful patriotic military career.

You make the sweeping statement that Crowther's article is "Mr. Crowther's article is just more rhetoric, calling Democrats to arms." It is full of facts. If you think they are not facts, then refute them.

Ray (Jeremy said I am his VERY LIBERAL uncle--not true--I'm way to the left of "very liberal."


On 01 June 2004 (11:47 PM), Adam said:

Ray,

I make no claim of Bush being great in military service, in fact I know that in the same US Weekly article that made light of Kerry's military service they mentioned Bush's AWAL status from Natioal Guard Reserve during the same period Kerry was receiving Purple Hearts. But it still does not change the fact that Kerry took a quick way out, just like Bush.

As far as Crowther's article being rhetoic...well, it may be facts, but facts can also be twisted, and turned into half truths, by the media, which Crowther is part of(Journalist...media). I know losts of things are up in the air and like I said I was not able to explain my points thouroghly. I suppose it is up to us to take on our responsiblility as voters to investigate the "facts" and find the whole truth. Keep in mind I also realize that Bush's ad campaigns are aslo full of "facts" that may or may not be accurate or taken out of context.

As for how to vote, I guess it is my 20 year old idealism thinking there is a way that is good and right, and not evil, so I could just be wrong.

I thank you Ray for not attacking, but discussing, I was a little nervous to post here. You made the experience pleasent. Thanx.

Adam


On 01 June 2004 (11:56 PM), kaibutsu said:

Second, all this lesser of two evils talk is very disturbing. If you're going to vote for someone do it because you believe in them, not because you hate someone else.

There's a sticker on my bicyle that reads, "Don't Vote: It Only Encourages Them!" Bush 'won' in 2000 with only some 17% of potential voters endorsing him; I tend to think this is a sign of how far national politics have been removed from the common reach. And yet there still seems to be enough 'encouragement' to bring about a billion-dollar election cycle... *sigh*

Do I 'believe' in Kerry? Not really. Do I believe in Bush? Not a chance in hell, given what I've seen of him. Will I vote for Kerry? Not sure just yet. But probably, just to put some scrap of paper towards stopping this national train wreck we've all been following so closely.

But, yeah, I agree: Everyone should decide for themselves. But I would go further to say that no one can decide on their own; the decision process should involve information gathering, rather than just deciding which name looks prettier on the ballot. That means making some responsible choices on who and what you're willing to trust for solid information. And if you decide that, based on an editorial from a local paper, that raising the minimum wage will be worse for us than, say, a few hundred well-documented billion dollars a year of deficit spending, then, yeah, sure, go ahead and vote for Bush. Just don't come crying when Bush has in his second term managed to earn the US a few trade embargoes and tripled an already incredible national debt.

Subsistence farming, kids.

It's the wave of the future.


On 02 June 2004 (12:36 AM), Adam said:

Kaibustu

The deficit has been trillions of dolars since I can remember. No president will be able to get rid of it on his or her(who knows what can happen) own. Though I know Bush has increased it, its not like it was gonna go away anytime recently...No one could get rid of it in 4 years without seriously pissing off people. But yes, his war does not help the situation I kow that.

Adam


On 02 June 2004 (07:03 AM), Johnny said:

Adam-
Prior to this administration I was a firm believer in voting for the person whose beliefs were closest to yours, regardless of whether they were going to win or not. As a result, I've voted for everyone from Ronald Reagan to George Bush (the elder) to Ross Perot. Up to this point I have been content with my choices because I believed that sending the message that I supported this candidate regardless of whether they were going to win or not was an important message.

Unfortunately, the things that this administration has done has convinced me that it is more important for me to seek Bush's removal from office than it is for me to support a candidate that I might actually agree with whole heartedly. I recognize that Kerry might have a different economic plan that doesn't include as many tax cuts. That's ok with me (primarily because I believed that the tax cuts were short sighted in the first place). I understand that Kerry might try to raise the minimum wage. I also know that this won't happen without the support of Republicans in Congress, which means that the odds on it happening are relatively slight.

On the other hand, I also know that Bush, for reasons that are now apparently unjustifiable, has involved us in a foreign conflict that has cost us 800+ lives and billions of dollars. Bush has also cost us a significant amount of political capital with the remainder of the world and has squandered any good will that we may have had in the Middle East (outside of the Saud royal family, of course). Bush's administration has undermined and eroded our civil liberties and civil rights. I don't believe that Kerry will do that.

Do I think that Kerry is the best possible choice? No. But I also think that he's less unpalatable than the alternative.


On 02 June 2004 (07:53 AM), Joel said:

It seems like a lot of elections lately have become a question of "Lesser of two evils." That's how I felt about Gore vs. Bush, and, if I didn't loathe Bush as much as I do now, that's how I'd feel about Kerry vs. Bush.
The problem with this kind of decision is that it fosters a lot of cynicism and apathy. Cynicism and apathy, in turn, drive normal people away from the voting booths.
There is some evidence to indicate that some politicians actually desire this outcome. When Bush was in a primary race against John McCain (who I wish would run as a third-party candidate) four years ago internal memos from the Bush campaign indicate that they actually strove to make the race nastier in order to drive away the moderates that McCain was attracting. I.e. when a race gets dirty, the moderates and undecided voters get cynical and tune out, leaving only the hard-core faithful to vote.
In the case of our current campaign, it's already much dirtier than most presidential races in history. Are we tuning out yet?


On 02 June 2004 (08:04 AM), J.D. said:
Johnny Doe: Prior to this administration I was a firm believer in voting for the person whose beliefs were closest to yours, regardless of whether they were going to win or not. As a result, I've voted for everyone from Ronald Reagan to George Bush (the elder) to Ross Perot.

I'm completely with Johnny Doe on this one. I have always voted for the candidate I felt best matched my own political beliefs. My votes for President have been cast for Ross Perot, John Hagelin (who?), and Ralph Nader, respectively. If it were not for the fact that Bush is so incredibly awful, I'd be voting for Nader — or somebody closer to my personal beliefs — again. (Actually, my policy is to vote for the third-party candidate with the greatest chance of victory — I think the two-party system is abhorrent.)

This year, I'm altering my voting policy. My policy this year is: vote for whomever is most likely to defeat Bush. In this case, it's Kerry, so he gets my vote.

During the last election cycle, I was working at OGI. I was talking with my boss about the elections, and I told him I was voting for Nader. "Don't do it, J.D. You have to vote against Bush," he said. But I didn't believe him. I didn't think Bush was particularly dangerous — just stupid. Besides, I thought a vote for Nader was a vote against Bush. In Oregon, it didn't matter — Gore won, just as he did in most of the other states, and in the overall popular vote — but ultimately my boss was right. Bush is worse than I could have possibly imagined. I am constantly amazed at the asinine decisions he makes, at his ignorance, at his moral crusades.

Bill Clinton may not have been a good President, but he was a political genius compared to Bush.


On 02 June 2004 (11:08 AM), Anthony said:

History repeats itself. Pseudo-Christian morals combined with inordinate amounts of power ultimately result in limitless corruption and monstrous abuses by government. Ever since the rise of the Holy Roman Empire, people have been suffering under the sanctified tyranny of "Christian" rulers who believed that God was on their side and therefore nothing they did could be wrong.

Far better a leader who ignores religion altogether (very rare) or embraces one which I despise, than one who claims to believe in the same God I do and by his actions makes that God stink in the nostrils of the whole world.

The problem of voting for presidential canditates will, I believe, always be a "lesser of two evils" issue, because as the political machine stands, it seems it would be impossible for a truly honest person, without "connections" and special-interest backing, to ever even become a canditate for any party. You end up with a choice of candidates who each cheated their way up the ladder, and who can each be trusted to use whatever means available to get their way once in office. Is that view cynical, or just realistic?


On 02 June 2004 (11:26 AM), Joel said:

I'm going to vote "cynical" Anthony. Which is fine, cynicism is a much better choice than despair or maniacal killing-spree.
Also, kaibutsu, after giving it some thought, I have to disagree with your bike sticker; NOT voting encourages them. What other conclusion can we draw from the administration's shamelessness than that they think we're not paying attention?


On 03 June 2004 (11:01 AM), J.D. said:

More reasons to vote against Bush (like you needed any more): Co-opting God for the Bush campaign.

sigh


On 03 June 2004 (11:57 PM), kaibutsu said:

Just a quick response:

Actually, the federal government was running at a fairly substantial surplus for the last few years of Clinton's run. This surplus was one of the 'reasons' offered for the first round of tax cuts - that the government couldn't be trusted with all of that extra money. (Which, if such a scary prospect, could have been usefully used to pay off some bit of our huge foreign debts, rather than infintesimally divided amongst the taxpayers.)


On 14 July 2004 (06:44 AM), Raymond Onar said:

I think 1st Lt. Mark V. Shaney USMC said it best when he said:

"...this is not defined as an absence of war. It is the presence of liberty, stability, and prosperity. In the face of the enemy. Don't buy into the pessimism and apathy that says, "It's hopeless," "They hate us too much," "That part of the men and women serving here in Iraq the enemy wherever you are. You are a mighty force for good, because truth is on your side. Together we will ultimately fail. That is why I am asking for your support. Become a voice of truth in your community. Wherever you are fight the lies of the men and women serving here in Iraq the enemy wherever you are. You are the soldiers at home fighting the war of perception with the media and American people. Our enemy has learned that the people in the highest regard. We love to criticize ourselves almost to an endless degree, because we care what others think. "

Raymond Onar
And as always: "Quidquid excusatio prandium pro!


On 18 August 2004 (01:42 PM), yellowjackoff said:

Ignorance is bliss or a democrat. There never was a budget "surplus".
http://www.delta.edu/mkhiatt/surplus_myth.html


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