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18 June 2004 — This Old House (13)

The other day, when I set up Lynn's Weblog, I considered building a weblog about our house. I knew that if I didn't I'd end up devoting copious space in this weblog to "stories" about the care and maintenance of our new house. These would inevitably prove dry, dull, and tedious to those readers who are not me. Which is most of you.

But, I didn't get that new weblog set up, so I'm going to bore you.

Kris and I just finished a l-o-n-g and exhausting fourteen hour day. We transferred three vanloads of belongings from the old house to the new house; we made a trip to Bed, Bath, and Beyond (aka Purgatory); I took photographs of all the downstairs rooms (thanks for the advice, Denise!); Kris put away much of the kitchen stuff; we pulled up all of the carpet, the carpet pad, and removed all the nails; and we started work on the wallpaper. (The wallpaper does not come off like buttah.)

The work on the floor went well. The carpet came up easily, and the pad was held in with a bare minimum of staples. The floors look great, too. They're dirty, of course, and covered with various paint splatters, but they ought to finish well.

However, there were a couple of setbacks.

First, by the back porch, there are some make-shift non-oak pieces that have been incorporated into the original flooring. The current doorway is extra-wide. When the original doorway was removed, somebody also removed a few inches of wall on each side. At the floor, they patched together a fix. I'm willing to just leave those pieces, but Craig and Andrew convinced me that's a shoddy choice. So, this weekend we need to cut a space in the current floor to incorporate a new threshhold piece or two.

The second problem is all of the outlet boxes (which are set in the floor and not in the walls, by the way) stick up a half inch or so beyond the hardwood floor. They just out to the level they needed to be at for the carpeting. These will all have to be recessed somehow. I'll spend time on Friday trying to determine exactly how.

The wallpaper project is going worse than I hoped, but about as I had expected. In other words, it's going slowly. The parlor and the den have maybe two layers of wallpaper, but the dining room — the room Kris and Courtney started with — has six layers of wallpaper. In some spots, this mass of stuff comes up easily; in others, the bottom layers are firmly attached.

It's tedious work.

To make matters worse, the actual walls are not lath and plaster, as we had believed. They're not sheetrock, either. They're made some strange stuff that even Craig found a little puzzling. Dave and Karen — who dropped by for a visit — peeked in closets and dark corners, and they hyptohesize that the original walls were simply wood planks, much like the pine floors upstairs. This strange stuff between the wallpaper and the original walls is cracking in spots, and might need to be fixed. In any event, since we can't get all the wallpaper off, we're trying to develop a back-up plan. When we've stripped the wallpaper the best we can, we're going to hire somebody to skimcoat the walls, and then well paint over that.

Two final things: the house smells like an old house, especially in the utility room and the kitchen. I like old house smell, but I'd like to reduce it some. Its pretty strong. Any advice? And, finally, it's pretty clear that we're going to have a hard time juggling both houses for the next month. They each need routing maintenance on the outside (mowing, watering, weeding, etc.), but I don't think we can handle it.

Now, though, it's time to sleep. I'm exhausted.

Major thank-yous to Andrew, Courtney, Lisa, and Craig who spent their Thursday evening working on our house and giving us advice. You guys are awesome.

On this day at foldedspace.org

2003Progress Report   My recovery continues apace, with two exceptions: exercise and sleep.

2001Shared Links   Some links of interest.

Comments
On 18 June 2004 (07:10 AM), J.D. said:

P.S.

It's now clear that there's plenty of work for us to do this weekend. If any of you are free on Sunday, and willing to pitch in, we'd love to have your company as we complete the floor and wall projects. Just let us know if you're available!


On 18 June 2004 (07:23 AM), Joel said:

JD said: "I like old house smell, but I'd like to reduce it some. Its pretty strong. Any advice?"

Aimee says I smell like cedar. So you could just have me over a lot.


On 18 June 2004 (08:09 AM), Courtney said:

Hey, it was fun! The wallpaper is a bit of a nightmare (er, ok, a major pain in the ass) but it was interesting to see all 6 layers. Kris and I were a little perplexed that the current dining room wallpaper looks like it's from the 60's or 70's yet some of the older layers look more like the 80's (i.e. mauve). Seeing the walls up close, I might suggest seeking advice on how best to treat them. It may save you time and frustration in the long run to get rid of the "planks" and have sheetrock installed instead. Of course, this would delay the painting project, but I'm not sure the current walls can be adequately patched or repaired (though I'd be happy to be proven wrong).

Definitely count on our help all day on Saturday. However, we're celebrating our 1st wedding anniversary Sunday and Monday at an undisclosed location. :)


On 18 June 2004 (08:56 AM), Dave said:

Karen and I were just itching to pull off one of those wallboard panels to see what was really underneath there. After we talked on the drive home we came to the following conclusion: The walls may be boards, but it's highly possible that there really is plaster over the boards, but it's underneath the wallboard stuff that's currently hosting the wallpaper. Plaster is sometimes hard stuff to wallpaper over and people do funky things to cover it. In the dining room it looks like the trip pieces are very shallow, which leads me to think that there's something covering the real wall (and therefore making the trim look thinner than it really is).

If you're going to skim coat it anyway, I think that I'd find a fairly narrow spot (between a pair of doorways, for example) and pull the wallboard off and see what's underneath it. Worst case scenario you put in a new piece of drywall (I've got some if you need it) and skimcoat over it. Best case scenario you find out that you've got nice plaster underneath that would make for much better painting. That wallboard crap is going to soak up about a 100 gallons of paint per square inch anyway, so even if you pulled it all off and put up new drywall you'd still be fairly well off. If nothing else it will save you a fortune in paint.


On 18 June 2004 (09:11 AM), Jon said:

We had rooms with 5+ layers of wallpaper. The thing that worked the best was to:

  • get a pump sprayer (at least 3 gallons) fill with DIF and water solution
  • cover the floor in plastic (and make sure you have a decent seal to the wall)
  • poke holes in the wallpaper by rolling a paper tiger on the walls
  • liberally spray the walls with DIF and water solution
Repeat every 15 min or so, and try scraping in-between. The room will be quite humid for a while, but it doesn't seem to do any damage to the walls.


On 18 June 2004 (09:45 AM), Courtney said:

It all sounds like good advice. I just talked to Andrew who suggested if you remove the current wall boards, perhaps that would also be a good time to move those pesky outlets from the floors and move them to the (new) walls. I also noticed in the dining room where the vent goes into the floor (near the kitchen door) there is a metal plate that should probably be removed before the floors are refinished. It looks like the wood extends under it. If you do the walls first (i.e. before refinishing the floors) you will have less to worry about as far as spilling paint, spackle, etc. and less prep work too!

Isn't home improvement fun?!!!


On 18 June 2004 (10:37 AM), Dana said:

Moving the outlets to the walls is going to entail having to patch the floors, cut holes in the walls, and fish wiring.

I suspect the reason the outlets are in the floor to begin with is that the walls may not be hollow...


On 18 June 2004 (01:24 PM), Dave said:

Dana's point is something that Karen and I discussed as well. It's possible that the walls of the house consist of siding plus interior boards and some type of filler. But, I'm willing to bet that the reason that the outlets are in the floor is because the house wasn't originally wired much (if any) and it was easier to come up through the floor than it was to come up through the wall. This may be because the walls aren't hollow, but it may just be that someone didn't know how to do it the right way. It could also be that it was hard to get the wiring up into the wall because of the foundation (unlikely, but possible). Although it would be nice to have the outlets on the wall (and having electrical work done is surpisingly inexpensive), the unfortunate side effect would be some really odd patches in the floor. Recessing them a little would probably be a better option than completely re-locating them.


On 18 June 2004 (02:48 PM), Scott said:

I have no advice, I just hope JD will indulge in his penchant for photography to give those of us outside of Oregon a view of what is going on in the house. I, as a member of a community where 9 years of residency makes you an old-timer, am facinated with this "this old house" saga unfolding in cyberspace, er. . . foldedspace.


On 18 June 2004 (02:50 PM), Jon said:

What sort of wiring are you dealing with? Knob and tube? Relocating may not be your best option if you have old brittle wires (and brittle coating over them).

Assuming you have standard two outlet boxes in the floor, one thing comes to mind, assuming this is a standard two outlet box: You can get remodeling outlet boxes that have tabs on either side that swing out to hold the box in place. They work well in walls, and I assume they would work well in the floor too. Hope that helps.


On 18 June 2004 (06:28 PM), Amy Jo said:

I found that using an inexpensive steamer (from Home Depot) was the best way to remove wallpaper in our house. I tried DIF and it worked, but I had to reapply a number of times, and I gouged the heck out of the walls when I tried using a scraper. The steamer was less messy (you still need to cover the floors securely) and took less time. The steamer is coming back to Oregon with us, but won't be there for a few more weeks . . . If you are still in need of assistance removing wallpaper at that time, I'll gladly assist.

If you decide to skimcoat, do hire out. I skimcoated four rooms in our house and it is damn hard work and very messy. Although, it isn't hard to learn (that goes for patching plaster and drywall) and does a good job of covering up wallpaper-blotched walls. Someone wallpapered every wall and even the ceilings of the top floor of our house, and later tenants proceeded to paint over the wallpaper and then paint some more. With the high humidity levels typical of this area (Washington, DC), the wallpaper (underneath many coats of paint) began to bubble at the seams. It was ick!

Best of luck to you. We can't wait to see the house!


On 18 June 2004 (08:36 PM), dowingba said:

Is it just me or does Lynn's weblog remind you of a TypePad-esque design? Who designed it?


On 18 June 2004 (09:16 PM), tammy said:

Lynn, when I view your weblog it's always chopped off on the right hand side. The calender only goes to Friday, for example.


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