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19 January 2005 — Idle Thoughts (20)

I'm in the midst of one of my periodic life re-evaluations. These seem to occur every few years, and with varied results. The last occurred about four years ago, at a point where I was programming computers forty hours a week and working at Custom Box another twenty. It was too much for me. I retreated. I longed for a pastoral lifestyle.

During the next four years, I worked slowly (often unconsciously) toward that pastoral lifestyle. Now, to some extent, I have it. But it's not enough. I crave something even more relaxed, more peaceful, more removed. I don't want to walk some hypothetical fine line between the materialistic mainstream society and an idealistic simple life; I want to be lodged firmly in the latter world.

This isn't something that can be achieved overnight. And I find it unlikely I have the willpower (or desire) to shed the modern world completely — could I really give up the internet? — but I've made the first tentative steps toward this goal. I've begun a campaign of personal fiscal responsibility (one unprecendented in my own life). I've started looking toward what I already have instead of craving what I believe I need. My mind is working, undergoing a sort of mental restructuring, a realignment of my values and priorities.

I believe that during the next four years I will draw even closer to my ideal: a life of idleness.

A happy convergence of books and essays has helped solidify my thoughts and goals.

Mark Slouka's "Quitting the Paint Factory", from the November 2004 Harper's, is a semi-successful meditation on the subject. He writes: "If we have no time to think, to mull, if we have no time to piece together the sudden associations and unexpected, mid-shower insights that are the stuff of independent opinion, then we are less citizens than cursors, easily manipulated, vulnerable to the currents of power." If we are not idle, if we do not make time for ourselves, we become cogs in a corporate machine, simple consumers in a materialistic world. (Slouka's essay, while interesting, deteriorates in its latter half, becoming a baffling attack on George W. Bush and his policies. I abhor Bush, too, but fail to see how the President is in any way related to the topic. Slouka's case is incoherent.)

Slouka's article makes direct reference to Bertrand Russell's 1932 essay "In Praise of Idleness", from which comes this brilliant bit: "I think that there is far too much work done in the world, that immense harm is caused by the belief that work is virtuous, and that what needs to be preached in modern industrial countries is quite different from what always has been preached."

Wendell Berry, another source of inspiration, provides a somewhat different view, and an important one to temper my desire to shed work. Berry praises work. But the work he praises is that of the self, the kind of work that is for the worker, performed by the worker for his own ends.

I've been re-reading Berry's What Are People For?, a collection of essays in which he argues that there's a cognitive disconnect between people and place, that our society has no concept of agriculture, that our consumerist culture loves technology for technology's sake, that we ought to think locally not globally. Berry is a visionary, one who will be more appreciated one hundred years from now than he is today. In a way, he's a modern-day Thoreau. (Here is a good place to start with Berry, if you're curious.)

These essays made my mind percolate. But what really set my brain to boil was the financial self-help book Your Money or Your Life, which advocates voluntary simplicity and sustainable living as a means to shed the bonds of consumerism. "The sirens of consumerism have put us into a deep sleep," the book claims. And "clutter is a fate worse than death". Its most important insight — the book's thesis, actually — is that "money is something we choose to trade our life energy for".

This fundamental principle has, at least for now, changed my relationship with money. Last year I spent $2500 on books. (Yes, it's true.) That's over $200 a month. This month, I've spent $28 on books, and even that little required colossal effort. (I purchased a Latin textbook and its companion workbook.) And that's the only money I've spent on myself this month. The only money. No candy, no movies, no magazines, no nothing. And you know what? Rather than feel deprived, I'm happier than I have been in years.

Now I'm reading Brenda Ueland's strangely compelling If You Want to Write: "A book about art, independence, and spirit". Another weblog — I forget which — linked to an excerpt from this book, and I liked the selection so much that I borrowed the book from the library.

It's an odd sort of writing book. Ueland doesn't tell you how to write; she just tells you to do it. "Everyone is talented, original, and has something to say," she argues, echoing the reasons I believe everyone should have a weblog. She wants each person to write with passion about what they know, never thinking of an audience, never thinking of publication, only thinking of themselves. Wonderful advice. And her philosophy is in lockstep with my recent thinking: "You should work from now on until you die, with real love and imagination and intelligence, at your writing or whatever work it is you care about."

Here's a quote I've had to edit (Ueland is even more prone than I am to parenthetical remarks):

...The great artists like Michelangelo and Blake and Tolstoy...do not want security, egoistic or materialistic...They dare to be idle, not to be pressed and duty-driven all the time. They dare to love people even when they are very bad, and they dare not to try and dominate others to show them what they must do for their own good. For great and creative men know what is best for every man is his own freedom so that his imagination...can grow in its own way, even if that way, to you or to me...seems very bad indeed.
(I know its easy to mistrust such a patched quote, but I've done my best to retain its essential meaning. I had to edit, else the parenthetical remarks would have made the quote nearly nonsensical.)

These books and articles are laying a foundation upon which I hope to erect a new life, or a new approach to life. I realize that this new life may not last — my zeal may fade, my priorities may change, Fate may rear its ugly head — but for now, and for the foreseeable future, I intend to pursue a lofty goal:

Idleness.

On this day at foldedspace.org

2004Brain Damage   Dale was in my first or second grade class (I'm so old now that I've forgotten which). He was bright and funny and popular with both the teachers and the students. One day my teacher came in and she told us that while Dale had been riding his bike, he'd been struck by a car.

2003Sidetracked   At 9 a.m. I left for the five-minute walk to Wilcox Arredondo.

Comments
On 19 January 2005 (10:38 AM), Amy Jo said:

Living simply seems to have emerged as a theme among my friends, especially those with children. A number of people have recommended to me the book "Living Simply with Children," although I haven't read it yet. I think I should even if we don't have a child because I think the principles apply to adult quality of life just as much as they do to that of children. Both Paul and I want to move towards a simpler life and we've made some strides but we have a long way to go. We don't make a car payment and have no revolving debt, just our student loans and soon, a mortgage. We have a savings account (soon to depleted by the impending mortgage). I have mixed feelings about the mortgage because it is a lot of money, but I know that I won't be happy unless I have the space I need to live the life I want to live, and that comes at a cost.

The last five years of the "good life," in which we had the good jobs and the money we never had before, have taught us that it isn't all that it is cracked up to be. We were constantly exhausted, took poor care of ourselves, and our overall satisfaction with life wasn't where we felt it should be. Looking back over my adult life, our time on Dryland Rd. was very satisfying. We were always broke yet my life was rich. I loved the garden, sitting in my weedy yard in the morning, looking at Mt. Hood, and having friends in for dinner because we rarely could afford to eat out.

Let's help support one another as we try to move towards the lives we really want.


On 19 January 2005 (10:49 AM), Anthony said:

Truly fascinating.

I do not hope you will achieve your goal of idleness, but I applaud most of the measures you are using to move towards it.

This post brings up many delightful questions; I only wish I had time to discuss them here. I will have to content myself with one or two. Hmmm...

Is there an overarching and knowable purpose to our existence?

If so, can that purpose, whether evolution, redemption, or Nirvana, be thwarted by our choices?

Assuming we are here for a purpose, should we seek to know and fulfill it?

Will it make a permanent difference in this world if you do attain your goals? Does that matter?

Are any of these questions even relevant?


Ok, a few more than one or two then. :)

I'm just thinking aloud (digitally, I mean).


On 19 January 2005 (12:12 PM), J.D. said:

Is there an overarching and knowable purpose to our existence?

Well, this is The Question, isn't it? The one that's dogged religion for thousands of years? If you have religion — which most of you, including Anthony, do &mash; then there is an overarching and knowable purpose.

I don't have religion. Do I believe there's some purpose to life? (Or, perhaps, multiple purposes?) My answer is no. And yes.

By this I mean that I don't believe there are any external purposes to life. Any purpose to an individual life must come from inside. Since I do not believe in the existence of a god, I believe that any purpose that you, Anthony, find from your belief and worship is actually coming from inside and not from a Creator. This does not make the purpose any less valid in my eyes.

So how does one derive a purpose in life if there is no god? It is my opinion that this internal motivation is entirely personal. Each will have his own purpose. Ultimately, the same general goal is at stake, though: individual happiness.

The core of my personal ethos is that the ultimate good in life is the pursuit of individual happiness. (The important unspoken caveat is that this quest is good only insofar as my personal happiness does not infringe upon your personal happiness; I have no right to impose my will upon others, nor to deprive them of what happiness they might have.) "Follow your bliss," as Joseph Campbell said.

If individual happiness is the ultimate purpose in life, a number of secondary purposes arise, all of them related to determining what it is that actually makes you happy. It's all well and good to say that a person should strive to be happy, but how exactly is happiness achieved?

The answer that question is different for each person.

Again, for some this happiness is found through religion. That's great. (And I support that happiness insofar as these people do not attempt to impose their religion on others, insofar as they do not try to take from me what makes me happy.)

For me, idleness, and the opportunities that idleness brings, seems to lead to happiness. Because when I'm idle, I'm not. When I'm idle, I'm finding things to do: writing, cleaning my workshop, spending time with friends.

If so, can that purpose, whether evolution, redemption, or Nirvana, be thwarted by our choices?

I'm puzzled by this question; the obvious answer is, "Yes, of course." Is there something else behind it, or are you just noodling?

Religion generally dictates a certain path to happiness, certain beliefs or actions that must be adhered to in order for ultimate happiness to be obtained. Failure to follow the prescribed path leads to Hell (or its equivalent).

But even non-religious happiness can be thwartwed by our choices. If my goal is idleness, and if certain conditions must exist for me to obtain that goal (conditions like financial security, lack of debt, the absence of external obligations), then I can make choices that hinder this goal. Have made choices that hinder this goal.

Here's a real-life example. Recently Joel and I were playing World of Warcraft. (That game, in itself, is a huge hindrance to my long-term happiness, but wow! what short-term bliss it provides.) He mentioned that he'd just read a fantastic book that he thought I might like: Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell.

Still clinging to my old way of thinking, I went out the next morning and paid $28 for this 800-page behemoth. "A first edition! A first printing!" I thought. "This'll be worth something someday." I was pleased. And then I wasn't. I thought about that $28 and the time it represented. How many hours would I have to work to pay for that book? What would I rather do with $28? Go to dinner with Jeremy and Jennifer? Pay off existing debt? Subscribe to Cook's Illustrated?

The purchase weighed heavy on my mind. I new I'd love the book (I read the first few pages), but I couldn't justify the expense. It seemed that by purchasing it, I was working against my long-term goal, my dream of being idle.

So, I returned the book. (And with the money, I purchased the Latin textbook and workbook I mentioned in the above weblog entry. I do not regret this purchase; it leads me toward happiness and fulfillment, not away from it.)

Assuming we are here for a purpose, should we seek to know and fulfill it?

I suppose I've responded to this a little above, but I'd like to be more explicit.

I believe that purpose comes from within. If one does not attempt to find her purpose, she is destined to lead a life of randomness. If one has no objective, has no destination, she will most likely wander aimlessly through life, reacting on a purely instinctual level: "I like these shoes — I'll buy them! I like Hawaii — let's go! Ugh, my car broke and now I have to take the bus!"

I've lived large chunks of my life this way. It's easy to do. Without religion or some other strong force to show us purpose (which I believe is done by showing us to look inside ourselves), many have none. And this purposelessness is supplanted by America's corporate culture, which is only too glad to make consumerism your purpose in life. Why are we a nation of consumers? Because we've allowed an external force to define our purpose. If we define our own purpose, we break from the bonds of consumption.

(This corporate culture is strong. So strong, in fact, that it often crushes whatever internal purpose we've discovered (or created), replacing that purpose with consumerism. Nick and I had a discussion this morning in which I bemoaned advertising. I truly think that advertising is a Great Evil. It's primary purpose — at least in our culture — is to subert the will. It's designed to bypass rational thought, and to operate on the level of the subconscous. It creates needs and desires where none existed. (Very real needs and desires, too.) Advertising exists to goad us so that consumerism becomes our purpose.)

To return to the question: yes, absolutely, it is in each person's best interest to know his purpose, and to pursue it. If one fails to do so, he is likely to lead a life in which he responds only on instinct, and he is in danger of having his purpose replaced by some other purpose, one created by an external agent.

Will it make a permanent difference in this world if you do attain your goals? Does that matter?

This is an excellent question.

For me, personally, it is unlikely to make a difference in this world if I obtain my goals. It makes a difference to me, of course, and by extension it makes a difference to my friends and family, but not to the world at large. I think this is true for most people, actually, even for those whose purpose is religious in nature.

On the other hand, maybe it would make a permanent difference in this world if I obtained my goals. Maybe, in my case, if I were idle, and happy, I would create something of great and lasting beauty. Maybe I would find that I wanted to volunteer my time to help others. (Pam and I had a brief e-mail conversation the other day — as a result of my "moral obligation to have children" entry — in which she helped me to see that perhaps, without having children, I can fulfill some of these perceived "moral obligations" by volunteering to help with literacy programs, or to be a Big Brother, or through some similar cause. (I'm not ready to make such a step yet, but Pam certainly has planted the seed.)

Mostly, though, I don't think it's important that we make a lasting mark on the world. What's important is that we leave a lasting mark on those around us. And we can best do that by being happy and fulfilled, and by finding this happiness and fulfillment each through our own devices.


On 19 January 2005 (01:11 PM), Tammy said:

JD, I've always wondered why you buy all your books rather than use the library. I assume it's because you want to build your own home library.

I have found that I read very few books more than once. The ones I do read often I purchase. The rest of my books I borrow from friends or get from the library.

As for the simple life. I feel like we do live the simple life over here in Oregon City. Everything we own is paid for in full. Hubby works 4/10's while i stay home and raise the kids. I volunteer one day a week at the school. Anna Lise has cheerleading practice one night a week and the kids go to Awanas one night a week. Other than that we are home; hubby tinkering away the winter in his shop (mostly polishing and refilling bullets, cleaning his guns, melting lead, etc.).

The kids ride bike and scooters around the garage/shop while he works. (we have an oversized garge with gregs shop in the back)

I do crafts or read or play with the kids. Dinner is on every night when Hubby gets home from work. The entire family sits down and catches up on each others day. The kids are in bed at 7:30pm. We are in bed by 10:00pm.

The half acre we live on is just enough land to keep us busy but not too busy. We grow grapes, blueberries, strawberries, apples, cherries, plums, and pears here on this place. I plant a vegetable garden and take care of my flower beds.

We go out to eat in the evenings about once every two months. We go to the movies about once every three months. We literally spend most of our time right here on the place. I doubt life could get much simpler without totally retiring to the Northwoods or something.

Indeed, it's a good life.


On 19 January 2005 (01:17 PM), Courtney said:

Very interesting entry!

Last evening I met up with a girlfriend/co-worker of mine. She recently moved into a brand new, beautiful home in Beaverton with her boyfriend (whom she hopes to marry and with whom she shares this large mortgage). She just got a big raise (my semi-educated guess is she makes over $80k/yr). She has a plentiful wardrobe, drives a nice car, travels often for pleasure, etc. And she's UNHAPPY. She recently sold her SE Portland bungalow for life in the burbs with her soulmate...and his 2 kids. She said she doesn't care about the material things and realizes now that they do not make her happy. Her therapist gave her a homework assignment: find 5 things you LOVE, not just like, about living in this new home in Beaverton. She hasn't come up with 5 or even 3. She LOVES one room in her house that is "her space, her haven, decorated with colorful pillows and pretty curtains." When I asked what else she LOVES, she came up with these: "the people at the video store are really nice and give great service and there's a Fred Meyer nearby." How sad is that?!!

This conversation got me thinking about my life and my purpose in it. I was never happy working in corporate America because I found little meaningfulness about it. I knew that if I vanished from the scene, little would change and perhaps my absence would go unnoticed. That was the main reason for going back to school. I finally found work that gave me purpose, that I felt truly passionate about. I LOVE helping people, so the helping profession suits me well and I intend to return to my chosen profession in the future.

My current purpose is motherhood. That's not to say that I am giving up myself for my child. But these last 2 months of staying home and raising Henry have been the happiest of my life. I have no income of my own, yet I feel richer than ever. I am doing things every day that bring me pleasure: reading, cooking, baking, knitting, resting, playing with my son, taking walks, visiting the library, spending time with friends, playing board games with Andrew, petting the cat, etc. I feel like I'm out of the rat race and in the most fulfilling place of all - home.

I agree with Amy Jo: Let's help support one another as we try to move towards the lives we really want.


On 19 January 2005 (02:12 PM), J.D. said:

I can't believe I'm going to write more on this topic. I've been thinking about this a lot lately, though. It's Very Important.

Yesterday as I was driving to my dentist appointment, I passed our old house. For some reason, I started to do some calculations in my head. If we were still living on Elm Street, and I had undertaken my campaign for debt elimination, how long would it take to have paid off the mortgage?

While the dentist drilled on my teeth, I calculated. "What are you thinking about?" she asked, and so I told her. Because my mouth was mostly blocked by a rubber dam, she shared bits of her life with me, shared what's she's learned about finances. "Use the library," she said. "Grow your own food. Drive an old car and don't get a new one." When she was finished she added, "There's a good book you might want to read called Your Money or Your Life." I explained to her that I had read it and that was one reason I was in this state of mind.

And my calculations? If we'd stayed in the old house, I could have paid off my share of the mortgage sometime in the middle of 2008. I could have been completely debt-free three (-and-a-half) years from today. This is a sobering thought. Even if we go to bi-weekly payments at the new place (and we may eventually), we won't have it paid off for twenty years or so.

In some ways, this move was foolish.

But that's not to say I regret moving. I don't. I love our house.

Unlike Courtney's friend, I can think of reasons I love the new place:

  • I love the squirrels and the birds and, of course, the neighborhood cats.
  • I love my workshop, with its pot-bellied stove. It's my private space.
  • I love the yard. I love to walk in it of a summer evening. I love the roses and the trees and the fruit we've planted.
  • I love the neighbors. We lived in our Canby house for ten years and barely new the people next to us. In our new house, the neighbors have introduced themselves, have given us blueberry plants and pickled beans and massive posts (for berry trellises) and grape vines. They love to chat. And we love to chat with them.
  • I love that we have space to entertain. We almost have too many rooms, to be honest. We have three rooms that see little or no use unless we have company. This is basically wasted space. (Wasted space that we heat, too.) But I love that we can have thirty or forty people over and not feel crowded.
I love other things about our house, too, but these are the first that pop to mind.

So: I do not regret the move, but it came at a price. I've sacrificed years of idleness for a comfortable place to end my days.

*********************************

Nick came in and asked me questions about this entry. I wish he'd actually type out his comments, but since he doesn't like to do that, I'll answer him here.

What's so good about a simple life?

A simple life isn't for everyone. A simple life means not only living within one's means, but also not wanting what you do not have. A simple life is devoid of the rush and bustle of groups and committees and so on. A simple life is, well, simple. It takes pleasure in life at hand.

Does one have to grow a garden to live the simple life?

No, of course not. (That falls under the "sustainable living" aspect of my goal — basically, my goal is three-pronged: idleness, simplicity, and sustainability.) People who strive for sustainable lives grow their own food, sew their own clothes, provide their own entertainment. They try to lessen their burden on the Earth. They don't drive SUVs. They recycle. This is the touchy-feely hippie aspect of my plan.

I'm idle all the time. It doesn't make me happy. What makes you think being idle will make you happy?

What makes one person happy will not necessarily make another happy. I know that idleness will make me happy because it does make me happy. And I should be clear that by "being idle" I do not mean "sitting around watching television" or "simply doing nothing".

Idleness, to me, implies a complete lack of obligation. When I'm idle, I am free to do what I choose. If I want to sit on the porch and watch the flicker fight with the jays, I can do that. If I want to read Proust, I can do that. If I want to prune the camelias, I can do that. If I want to write a poem, I can do that. If I want to nap, I can do that. Idleness is freedom.

When I'm idle, there's a lot of downtime. No question. But I'm also surprisingly productive. And, best of all, I'm happy.

I like to be happy.


On 19 January 2005 (03:44 PM), Anthony said:

Thank you for taking the thought and time to answer the questions I posed. I now understand more clearly where you are coming from. There is much there to discuss, but alas, I haven't time.

For now, I will make an observation about one of your last remarks responding to Nick:

I should be clear that by "being idle" I do not mean "sitting around watching television" or "simply doing nothing".

I wonder if you are letting the consumerism you deplore define idleness for you. Doing what you perceive as important (in your case, pursuing personal happiness) is not idleness unless, for reasons dictated to us by the salesmen of the "good life," the only activities qualifying as work are those that advance the the current economic/political machinery.


It annoys me to hear the word "idleness" applied to a lifestyle resembling what I myself aspire to one day achieve in one form or another. Thus, to the extent that it makes you happy to refer to such a lifestyle as "idleness," your happiness infringes on mine...


On 19 January 2005 (06:29 PM), Jeff said:

I heard a little story once, it went something like this:

A New York City businessman goes to Mexico. While wandering along the beach he sees a fisherman pulling his boat up onto the shore early in the day.

The New Yorker says to the fisherman, "Hey, why are you stopping so early in the day?"

The fisherman says, "Well, I just did a little fishing and now I am going to play some music, play with my children, lay in the sun , and maybe later I will go out with my wife."

The businessman says, "Oh no, no, no! Take it from me, you should fish all day, then sell it to make more money."

"Hire some helpers to work with you and then you can get a bigger boat later on. Once you do this, you will be making even more money, so then you can buy more boats and get more people to work for you."

"Eventually you can move to New York and operate your business from there to sell your fish world wide and make even more money.!"

The fisherman says, "Why would I want to do that?"

The New Yorker says, "Because once you have a big company that sells its products world wide, you can then sell your company and make millions! You could retire to a little beach town in Mexico and just relax, do a little fishing for yourself and your family, play with your children, play some music with your friends, and take your wife out at night whenever you feel like it!"

The fisherman just smiles at the New York businessman and walks away.


On 19 January 2005 (07:26 PM), Kris said:

I agree with Anthony that the word "idleness" has such negative connotations that it doesn't truly seem to apply to Jd's ideal life. Jd is one of the most motivated people I know. And, although he and I sometimes don't see eye-to-eye on the direction of his motivation (for example, he is motivated to learn Latin rather than get better at putting his dirty dishes in the dishwasher), there is no way that if he wasn't working he would be just sitting around watching TV. (Somehow, the words "idle" and "television" are inherently linked, aren't they?) Anyway, if he didn't work, he would be learning three languages, writing poems, teaching himself woodworking, planning gatherings of friends, working with me in the garden, etc.

It is sad for me, however, that Jd does not find his own "career" personally satisfying. Most days, I like going to work. That doesn't mean I wouldn't find a million things to do if I were "idle", but that I have found a job that uses my strengths and challenges me to continue growing. Jd must do these things of his own accord outside of his job, so it is only normal that he'd want more time to do them.

Now, if we can only convince him that computer games really are a waste of time. Joel, you are a very, very bad influence.


On 19 January 2005 (10:26 PM), Ron said:

I was in the doctor's office yesterday and read a magazine (I think it was Time magazine) that had several articles focusing on new research on happiness. It mostly comes from frontal brain lobe activity and can be stimulated by several different things which are surprisingly similar to all people. I wish I had a copy of that magazine to give you a better list of them but some of those things are doing things for others, being grateful, having a life of a series of problems that are not overwhelming but that one learns to bounce back from. Another thing I learned is that you want to be in a good mood before and after getting a flu shot because you will develop up to 50% more antibodies than someone who is not happy. If you can, find the magazine and read it, I think you will enjoy it. JD - It should be at the local library (free).


On 20 January 2005 (12:31 PM), Nikchick said:

Great, thought provoking entry. I immediately thought of Thoreau:

Our life is frittered away by detail. An honest man has hardly need to count more than his ten fingers, or in extreme cases he may add his ten toes, and lump the rest. Simplicity, simplicity, simplicity! I say, let your affairs be as two or three, and not a hundred or a thousand; instead of a million count half a dozen, and keep your accounts on your thumb-nail.

Like you, I find myself in an eliptical orbit with the idea of simplicity in my life. In practice, I swing away from it, only to find myself drawn back to the idea: simplify, simplify!

I look forward to hearing how your quest for idleness goes.


On 20 January 2005 (01:16 PM), Jeremy said:

Kris said: "Jd is one of the most motivated people I know."

Jeremy says: "Huh?"


On 20 January 2005 (02:01 PM), Jeff said:

Jeremy IS the most motivated person I know.


On 20 January 2005 (02:05 PM), Kris said:

Jeremy could do with a bit more idleness.


On 20 January 2005 (02:24 PM), Jeremy said:

I agree with Kris (both times); I could do with a bit more idleness.


On 20 January 2005 (11:20 PM), Tony said:

JD, maybe you could build a time machine out of corrugated, then sit in it with your eyes closed and pretend you are in a latter world.

I know of a company that can help you design the time machine. :)

I agree with Kris, JD does not find his job personally satisfying. I think JD thinks of his job as more of a chore that he does not want to do but feels he has to do. Feeling this way about something that consumes 9 hours or more of his day is not helpful or healthy.

JD, The figure of 9 hours is taking into acount travel time to work and time spent getting ready. I know you where doing the math in your head.

Talk to you later Big Brother.


On 25 January 2005 (06:36 PM), bill said:

i enjoy a pastoral life myself; one in which one can own the boots,hat,and cattle in crawford ,tx.or any where that one might choose to live. the first thing one has to learn in a pastoral life setting (pasture) is to be observant where one steps. else one be stared at as folks wonder who stepped in it! the ambiaence of the aroma .......


On 25 January 2005 (06:36 PM), bill said:

i enjoy a pastoral life myself; one in which one can own the boots,hat,and cattle in crawford ,tx.or any where that one might choose to live. the first thing one has to learn in a pastoral life setting (pasture) is to be observant where one steps. else one be stared at as folks wonder who stepped in it! the ambiaence of the aroma .......


On 25 January 2005 (06:36 PM), bill said:

i enjoy a pastoral life myself; one in which one can own the boots,hat,and cattle in crawford ,tx.or any where that one might choose to live. the first thing one has to learn in a pastoral life setting (pasture) is to be observant where one steps. else one be stared at as folks wonder who stepped in it! the ambiaence of the aroma .......


On 25 January 2005 (06:39 PM), bill said:

oops! didnt mean to be redundant! sorry folks.


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