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20 May 2005 — Revenge of the Sith (15)

I've written about my great nostalgia for the Star Wars of my youth. I've lambasted Attack of the Clones. I've written an entry on why I think recent Star Wars sucks.

After all this, you might expect that I'd wait to see (or even skip) the final installment, Revenge of the Sith. Ha ha! Who are we kidding? The first thing I did after work today was stop for a matinee.

So, what's the scoop? Did I hate it? I did not. Did I — like dowingba — think it was a masterpiece? I did not. Not even a flawed one.

I did, however, think that it was certainly the best Star Wars film in twenty-five years. It's also the most beautiful of the series. There are moments during which the Lucas' CGI-fetish is overwhelming, but of the three prequels, this film does best at keeping the CGI subservient to the story, at showing some restraint. (For example, there's nothing like the horrible climax to Clones in which there are hundreds and thousands of gratuitous CGI objects on-screen in a bewildering example of how not to convey action.)

Revenge of the Sith begins with a space battle that, while not on a par with the Death Star sequence from the original movie, is quite thrilling. If you suspend your "that's not logical" circuits, it's a lot of fun. (If you can't suspend those circuits, you'll be left wondering what the hell so many large space cruisers are doing so close togther. I suggest you not ask that question. Just enjoy the ride.)

The dialogue is just as bad as I had expected. The "romance" scenes are on a par with those in Clones. (That means they're awful.) However, I was surprised by the acting. Except for a couple of Anakin-is-angry scenes, nobody was any more wooden than in the original trilogy. Ian McDiarmid as the Chancellor and Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan are actually quite good.

Revenge of the Sith rushes along at a breakneck pace, pausing now and then for the aforementioned poorly written "romance" scenes, and though I knew where the ride was headed, it was still fun. I liked the process by which Annakin was turned to the dark side. I like the dozen-or-so different planets we're shown. I like the variety of aliens in the background. I like the references to old movie serials (the most obvious of which is Commander Cody). Most of all, I like the sense of fun.

I only have one major complaint: the light-saber duels were ridiculous.

Remember how in the original trilogy, the light-saber duels were semi-realistic? Remember how they might have been just sword fights but with laser swords? Remember how in The Phantom Menace the climactic battle with Darth Maul was grand and exciting, and though everyone performed stunts, they all seemed relatively believable? And finally, remember how in the last movie any pretense of realism was thrown out the door when Yoda did his mad frog with a lightsaber routine? Well, this film features more of the mad frog with a lightsaber, and throws in two more long, silly lightsaber battles as well.

(Note that I'm not opposed to lightsaber battles or sword fights. I like them just as much as you do. But I like them to have some semblance of realism to them. Yoda bouncing off the walls like a pinball does not meet that criterion.)

I wish this film had been set up by two previous films of quality. I wish that we could believe Annakin's love for Padmé. I wish that the road to this spot had not been so convoluted. If the setup had been better, the audience could have felt some real emotion.

Still, I'm not afraid to recommend this film to my Star Wars-loving friends. And I'm sure I'll see it several more times before the summer's out. For the first time since I was eleven years old, there's a Star Wars film in theaters that I like.

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Comments
On 21 May 2005 (08:58 AM), Master Jethro said:

Caught the 10:20 showing last night... easily the best of the new trilogy, despite the corny romance scenes. I did feel that Revenge of the Sith was a bit of a last-ditch effort to tie everything together with the original trilogy, but it was still the most fun I've had at a movie theater in a long, long time.

My list of favorite Star Wars movies is very close to dowingba's, but I still like the A New Hope a little better than this one...

1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. Revenge [Return] of the Jedi
5. The Phantom Menace
6. Attack of the Clones


On 21 May 2005 (02:53 PM), Rich R said:

I agree with most of what you've said (saw it last night...one of only 2 of the films I ddin'r see opening day).

Here's my list (almost like Jethro):
1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Attack of the Clones
6. The Phantom Menace


On 21 May 2005 (03:51 PM), J.D. said:

Since we're doing lists:

1. A New Hope
2. The Empire Strikes Back

3. Revenge of the Sith
4. Return of the Jedi

5. Attack of the Clones
6. The Phantom Menace

I've broken them into pairs of like quality. Yes, I like the first film better than Empire. I always have. I always will. It imparts a greater sense of wonder. And, yes, despite my bitching about it, I prefer Clones to Menace. My latest rewatching has convinced me that it holds up a little better with time. Menace mainly has the pod race going for it, and that's about it.


On 21 May 2005 (05:07 PM), Jethro said:

I guess my list is more of what I think is "technically" the better movie.

Like JD, I also feel that the original Star Wars (it is the only movie I actually call Star Wars) imparted a sense of wonder that the other films can't quite match. Star Wars will always be my true favorite, despite the bad acting... but Empire is still technically a better movie.


On 22 May 2005 (12:29 AM), OzoneFlare said:

I had some problems with Episode 3. and they go as follows:

Anakin swears alligence to Senator Palpatine (The Emperor) throughout the whole movie.. but then as he turns to the darkside and padme confronts him, all the sudden he wants to overthrow the Emperor and rule the galaxy with her? This kinda thing is however typical in corporate american business.. lol

Let us also not forget, that Anakin uses padme as an excuse to turn to the darkside, to obtain the power that can save her from dying during childbirth.. yet when she confronts him for being a naughty boy and killing all the "younglings" (I cant believe Lucas Made Natalie Portman say that word, uhh horrible) he tries to strangle the bitch while she's pregnant with his child.. So essentially he didnt give a crap about her dying in the first place if he's trying to go all Ike Turner on her like that..

Then when the Emporer finally gets Anakin all in his Darth Vadar costume, and he wakes up (most retarded scene in the movie), he asks what happened to Padme? The Emperor says, "you killed her" and he all steps off the slat table like frankenstien and is all like.. "NOOOOOOO" How Gay was that scene.. like dood.. Anakin.. you just tried to strangle her to death anyways.. what are you so upset about? I used to think Darth Vadar was just str8 up cold, cool and collective.. That whole scene just demoted his character..

Might I also add, the Emperor was on some severe crack when he finally turned into full episode 4, 5, and 6 Emperor style.. The acting was horrible, I actually sunk down in my seat in embarassment. Why did Lucas have to give the Emperor a Vagina on his forehead like that.. some mysteries are just better left mysteries..

A plot problem.. In return of the jedi, luke asks leia.. "What do you remember of your mother" and leia responds "images really, she died when I was very young, she was very beautiful, yet sad.." well.. how the hell would you know leia? your mom died during child birth!!

something small here.. how can obi-wan and anakin have a lightsaber battle over molten hot lava on steel grates? wouldnt they burn up? that was unbelieveable.. literally..

Overall Synopsis.. Lucas really tried to rush this film.. the timelines are unidentifiable.. which means while watching the movie at least 9 months had to of gone by during padme's pregnancy.. all the spacecrafts in the film after padme gives birth, start looking more closer to the 4, 5, and 6 style space ships. with the empire in full effect making all that loot pilaging and ruling the galaxy, how come they couldnt just keep the shiney episode 1, 2 and 3 spacecraft which seemed more technilogically advanced then episode 4, 5, and 6 spacecrafts? overkilled lightsaber battles left nothing to the imagination.. in general this whole series left nothing to the imagination.. lucas gave it all to you with CGI effects.. the trick now is watching Episode 4 after seeing episode 3 and get a connected feeling of transition between the trilogies.. all I can say is, it just didnt transition well at all.. Lucas should of utilized the old technology of stop animation and models to get an even older textured enviroment.. in the star wars world, with episode 1, 2, and 3 we were supposed to be going back in time, not going to some technologically advanced newer alter universe.. and thats my 2 cents worth..

~ John


On 22 May 2005 (02:02 AM), dowingba said:

So in other words, John, you wish Lucas re-released 4,5 and 6, because any deviation means it sucks. By the way, he did that in 1997 anyway, and everyone hated it.

Lucas has always used cutting edge special effects in his Star Wars films. Always. He's not gonna use decades old stop motion just to please the Star Wars Luddites out there (ie: people who hate the new trilogy because it uses up-to-date technology). You don't think there were people ranting and raving about Lucas' "stop motion fetish" back during his original trilogy? Geeze, why can't he just make space-ship sounds and maybe have a wind machine rustle up people's hair instead of showing the ship taking off. He could just leave how the ship looks up to our imaginations! It's like watching a car back out of a drive way for 2 hours! Dispicable!


On 23 May 2005 (12:51 PM), Jade said:

I'll break from the mold and go so far as to put Jedi as #1. My list:

1. Return of the Jedi
2. The Empire Strikes Back (mostly because of Hoth. Empire used to by my favourite, but I really happen to like forests...)
3. A New Hope
4. Revenge of the Sith
5. Attack of the Clones
6. Episode 1


I used to always tell everyone that my favourite actors in Ep2 were the clones.

And does the name "Revenge of the Sith" remind anyone else of the old working name for Jedi ("Revenge of the Jedi")?


Personally, I can't think of a single dialogue scene in the original trilogy that can compare with some of those in the new three (particularly episodes 2 and 3)...

Scenes like:
A: "You're so beautiful" (when she's probably the ugliest she's been in all three movies)
P: "That's because I love you."
A: "No, it's because I love you."
(etc.)

And a particular favourite (dialogue exaggerated to make a point):
A: "I killed them all! The men, women, and children!"
P: "Aww, that's okay, sweetie. Do you need a hug?"


I liked Ep3 more than the first 2, but that's not really saying much. I am gratified that Jar Jar had no speaking parts this film, however.


On 23 May 2005 (10:01 PM), skorch said:

I just stumbled across this weblog and it's been a good read. OzoneFlare, I agree with what you were posting until what you wrote about the Emperor. You have got to be kidding me, he was the best part of Ep3 by far! Part of the reason I liked Jedi so much was he was such the ultimate bad guy and I'm so glad he reprised the role in the prequels. I agree what was posted about Yoda bouncing like a pinball, it's pathetic. I'm probably the only person I know of who was disappointed by Yoda way back in Empire. I always thought the great Jedi master was going to be someone imposing and seeing him for the first time was a letdown. He's actually grown on me over the years (I was ten when Empire came out) but I still feel he should have been so powerful that he was beyond lightsaber combat.
Overall I guess I'm with the camp who prefers the OT more.
Sure the new flick's got plenty of lightsaber duels but where's all the space combat? I mean these prequels all have Star Wars in the title but the space combat that made the OT so fun has been way too brief.
My list:
1. Star Wars
2. ESB/ROTJ
3. Sith
4. Clones/Menace


On 28 May 2005 (12:17 PM), Cepo said:

I'm holding off on watching Episode Three because I get the feeling that as soon as I see Darth Vader I'll start craving a slurpee.


On 05 June 2005 (09:56 PM), kweejibo13 said:

It took me weeks to admit to myself that Ep. 1 sucked. I was blinded by the name "Star Wars." I think this is what some of you fans are going thru. In a couple of weeks, maybe you will be able to admit to yourself that this movie was NOT close to the original trilogy but WAS nearly as bad as the first two eps. Sith gave a death blow to Darth Vaders place atop the all time greatest villains list. Anakin came off horribly. This episode totally destroyed the Star Wars name. When Jedi came out, the viewer knew who Has Solo was and cared about him. The same was true for the other characters. Sith did not have that advantage. Who really cares about the new cast of characters? I didn't and still don't after seeing this horrible movie.
1. Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Return of the Jedi
Tied for 6th. (I wish I could put these movies lower on this list but there are only six films.) Sith, Clones, Menace.


On 06 June 2005 (06:48 AM), Joel said:

I'm surprised at myself. Shocked, really. I've always thought that JD was more of a reactionary fist-shaker than I am. Which is to say, I thought I was a more forgiving patron of the arts, more eager to see the good.
Not so, apparently, for Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith. Man, I thought it was terrible. And you know what? Part of the reason I thought it was so terrible was because of what I'd learned from Mr. Roth! The opening shot of the battle on Kashyyyk I thought to myself "Now there's a crowded CGI action shot, I don't even know what to focus on. As JD might say, when everything's important enough to be on fire and exploding, nothing's important." Really, I thought both of those sentences.

Much worse, of course, for me was the acting. Perhaps the most important thing the new trilogy has done for me is to reveal that good (or even great) film actors are entirely at the mercy of their directors. Lucas has a deep and mysterious power to make any actor suck. In this installment, only McDiarmid seems able to resist the influence and deliver an interesting performance. I would also concede that McGregor's last speech on the Terrifying Hillside of Lava was pretty good.

How does Lucas do it? How does he suck the life out of these otherwise incandescent performers? I'm not sure of all of his techniques, but a very simple one he uses repeatedly is the Reaction Pause. It goes like this:
Actor 1: (pause, look troubled) My people are suspicious of you.
Actor 2: (pause, smile slightly, then look troubled) Well of course they tell you that. That's what they want you to think.
Actor 1: (pause, look away briefly, look troubled, look back and then look defiant) Oh, do they?

These Reaction pauses suck the energy from a scene like a giant space leech imbued with Dark Force Suckage Power. It's such a simple acting no-no. They teach it in every acting class I've ever taken, every director I've ever worked for will, at some point during rehearsal, say "Pick up your cues, people." Which means very simply that you say your line as soon as the other actor is finished and you react while you're saying your line!


On 29 June 2005 (03:41 PM), Darth_Infernus said:

I would agree with Jade in ranking the movies (ESB and ANH are basically tied, though for me). The interesting thing about that order is that as you go from I to VI the movies get continually better.
This has to be the only group of movies in history in which there are that many sequels (in a sense) and they constantly get better.
Also, someone mentioned thinking Yoda was too powerful for lightsabers. I always thought the same, and was a little disappointed by Yoda and the Emperor using them, but there is a subtle moment in ROTS that I really like, and that's where the Emperor is throwing the Senate pods at Yoda and Yoda puts his lightsaber back in his belt in order to use the force to block the pod. Also, I remember thinking when the Emperor says in ROTJ "A Jedi's weapon" that lightsabers are just so far beneath him-he sneers as he says it. My feeling is that after fighting each other in ROTS, both Yoda and the Emperor moved beyond the need to use such weapons.


On 13 July 2005 (05:36 PM), Creford said:

There were extremely excellent and the best scenes in the movie "Revenge of the Sith".
Good originality and great imagination, great story in this movie!
Here's Photo gallery for Hayden Christensen(Anakin) of this movie. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0159789/photogallery-ss-0
I love Star Wars series the most!


On 14 July 2005 (11:41 AM), darthnegroid said:

This should be called the "I Hate George" blog. Or maybe "killgeorge.com".

Star Wars will always be beautiful to me, although I agree with most of the negative comments I've read here. Nothing can compare to being eight years old and hearing the most shocking line in cinema history, "Luke, I AM your father". And on top of that having to wait three years to figure out if he was serious or not. That moment was probably the greatest cliffhanger of all time!

I did however like the sort of parrallel scene of Obi warning him not to even try, then cutting Anakin down and yelling "You were supposed to be the chosen one!" While he screams "I hate you!" crippled on the shores of hell. By far the best acting in all three prequels.

I'm not so sure Lucas is totally to blame for all of the poor acting. The writing yes, but let's put it this way. A great guitar player shouldn't and doesn't need the most expensive and best made guitar in order to blow you away. If they are truly talented, they should be able to pick up any old second hand guitar and bust out a solo that makes your neck turn. I know this from my own experience of playing music with junk instruments. Now lets face it, there has been many a song written that sucked, and they were written by extremely talented musicians whose creativity just sort of lost it's edge. But c'mon man! Natalie Portman blew chunks through all six years of this crap! And young Ani wasn't some acting prodigy either. I thought Liam Neeson and Ewan played out what they were given with great style. Hayden even came across well in the end. But look, Hayden and Natalie were no Harrison and Carrie. That's what I'm getting at.
That's what was missing. I realize the dialogue was weak, but somehow they could have made it work. Unless of course GL had them at laser gunpoint and forced them to do it all his way. But then why did he hire an acting coach for the last film? I think he kind of made his bed and now he had to sleep in it. Whoever casted the thing should have held out for something better.

With that said, I would love to see a thousand year old storyline about the Jedi and Sith battleing for power, written and directed by someone other than George. Just to give it a freshness and a new angle. Kind of like what just happened with Batman. Much better than any of the others. I think Star Wars could really become great again if they were to scrap it all and start new. I heard rumors of this maybe taking place in the future, that's why I bring it up. It would be about the ancient Yoda taking back the universe from the sith when he was young. Let's hope he doesn't look like Yaddle. You think he's frog hopping now? Wait 'til he's a thousand years younger!!!

By the way, I wonder how much James Earl Jones got paid to yell, "Nooooo!" It made my daughter laugh!

I love you anyway George. You and Steven have made movies what they are today by thinking outside the box! ILM rocks, just give 'em a few more years. You'll see!


On 14 July 2005 (11:45 AM), darthnegroid said:

P.S.

Creford needs help!!!

Hahaha!


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