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30 June 2004 — Pocket Bikes (191)

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This afternoon's hotly debated topic here at Custom Box Service is the rising popularity of those miniature motorcycles, Pocket Rockets (or Pocket Bikes). Actually, debate isn't the right word. We all hate them.

For those of you who haven't seen these trendy "vehicles", pocket rockets are miniature motorcycles capable of high speeds, but which are not, for the most part, street legal.

They're annoying.

Here's the text of a recent Time Magazine article about them:

the following text is from a 28 June 2004 article by Terry McCarthy

The next big thing out of California is 18 in. high, weighs about 50 lbs. and is capable of traveling up to 70 m.p.h. Meet the pocket bike, a scaled-down motorcycle that is selling faster than low-carb hot cakes across the Golden State — and causing nightmares for traffic police.

First popularized in Europe as specialized race motorbikes, pocket bikes are being sold as toys in Wal-Mart and Toys "R" Us as well as in motorcycle stores. Most are made in China and cost between $200 and $400, although souped-up versions can run more than $1,000. They are powered by either two-stroke gas engines or electric motors that can be recharged by plugging into a wall socket. To ride them, you have to squat down with your legs only inches from the ground.

"Today's kids want the coolest, fastest ride-on toys," says Carlton Calvin, president of Razor USA, which sells the Razor Pocket Rocket bike ($230). "The play pattern of racing and the freedom of transportation never go out of style."

The Razor Pocket Rocket is an electric model that reaches 15 m.p.h., and the company specifies that its bikes are designed for controlled environments like go-kart tracks and are not for use on public streets or sidewalks. But websites of other pocket-bike sellers boast "no registration or insurance required in most states," and some show promotional videos of people riding the bikes on public streets.

As sales take off, law-enforcement agencies are beginning to crack down, warning that pocket bikes are not safe to ride on the street. "They are so small, you can't see them behind parked cars or in traffic," says Sergeant Bob Rieboldt of the Los Angeles police department.

In California, pocket bikes are illegal on public roads, according to Rieboldt, because they are motor vehicles that require registration. But the department of motor vehicles will not register them because most do not pass safety regulations governing headlight height from the ground, taillights, brake lights, horns and so on. The California Highway Patrol has issued a statewide special alert about pocket bikes. Of course in some quarters, that will only add to the appeal.

Jeff hasn't seen many of these little monsters, but they're ubiquitous in our new neighborhood. Oak Grove must be a hot spot for them or something. The riders seem aware that they're not street legal, so they don't ride down the busy avenues. Instead, they zip up and down the lesser traveled streets, such as the one next to our new home. Or, they ride along the edge of the busy roads, in the bike lanes. This is just as illegal as riding on the street, dudes!

Tony complains that they things are so small that they're impossible for him to see when he's riding around in his jumbo-sized SUV. He's afraid he's going to hit somebody.

Me, I just think they're noisy and annoying.

Last week, before we were finally moved in and sleeping at the new house, I stopped by for a moment to check on the floor refinishing project. While I was there, some guy was buzzing up and down our street on a pocket bike. An old man came out and asked him to stop. The rider bristled, got off the bike, called the old man a bastard. The exchange grew heated. Neighbors gathered round as the two faced off. It was a little scary, actually. I hope we haven't moved into a neighborhood of hoodlums!

Other web links about pocket rockets:

(Another noisy thing in our neighborhood: the kids next door have a trampoline, which is great. They like to use it starting at 10 p.m. and running to midnight, which is not so great. It's a little annoying, yes, but I actually don't mind that much because it's good wholesome fun, and they're obviously having a good time. (I can tell by their screams of delight.))

Pre-Crash Comments
On 30 June 2004 (04:06 PM), Tiffany said:

I have not seen any of the Pocket Rockets, but we have a lot of motorized scooters that are pretty loud. The scooters are not street legal either. It really all boils down to parents that are spoiling their kids with expensive toys with no regard to the laws.

At least the trampoline kids are getting some exercise.


On 30 June 2004 (04:40 PM), Dave said:

Tiffany beat me to the punch on those damnable motorized scooters. If experience is any guide, they're only capable of operation between the hours of 6 pm and 1 am. Normally I wouldn't care if someone wanted to risk their life riding an unsafe vehicle since i think of that as just another form of Darwinism sort of like riding a motorcycle, but they are really loud and high pitched. Annoyingly so. Tell those kids to get a job now that school's out!


On 01 July 2004 (10:57 AM), Denise said:

Welcome to the big city, J.D. and Kris...or at least Milwaukie.

The only thing I have to say about Pocket Rockets is it is a sad reflection on what a consumerist society the US has become.


On 01 July 2004 (11:36 AM), Lisa said:

We're hearing a lot of the motorized scooters too, and they are LOUD! I suppose pocket bikes are a matter of time. They are really cute, though.

I'm a big fan of road rules for public safety. It would be terrifying to be responsible for the death of someone, and I wouldn't feel much better knowing that they were riding something illegal to express their individuality. Arrest 'em all!

On the subject of weird confrontations, I overheard a store person and a shopper arguing about whether an area marked with white lines was a parking space. I can't believe the shopper thought it was--perhaps she should be banned from the road along with the pocket bikes.


On 01 July 2004 (03:49 PM), Johnny said:

I remember the first time I saw a guy riding one of those pocket bikes. I thought he'd ripped off some kid's toy. Then I wondered why he was bothering to wear a helmet. Then, as he took off at Mach 1, I wondered how he maintained his knees sitting like that.


On 06 July 2004 (01:40 AM), Thanh said:

What's wrong with people and kids having a bit of fun? It's a cheap product ($200-400 for the Chinese bikes depending on where you buy it) which is about the cost of 2 Xboxes or 2 Playstation 2. Yes, I agree it's pretty unsafe if the rider isn't wearing any gear. Yes they're a bit noisy, but riding them in the daytime shouldn't be a problem. How come people take the time to complain about the noise of a pocket bike when I see all these wanna-be Hells Angels in the suburbs with their Harleys and Choppers making more noise than semis down the freeway? And BTW, the legality of pocket bikes riding in the bike lane (at least in California) is a gray-area. Motorized scooters are allowed to be in the bike lane here (16yrs+ with helmet) and technically the pocket bikes CAN be classified as a motorized scooter-look it up in the CA Vehicle Code book. It's gonna take a court case (or a more concrete law) to settle it. As for SUV drivers being unable to see pocket bike riders, gimme a break. I have yet to see a SUV driver being able to see anything but themselves on the road. So kids jumping up and down on a trampoline well into the night is considered good wholesome fun whereas people riding pocket bikes are just asses? Cmon people! Not every rider is an ass, most of us just wanna have some fun. All of us realize that if we piss off enough people, no one going to be riding.


On 08 July 2004 (03:00 PM), Shawn said:

I agree with Thanh, although I don't have a Pocket bike, I have seen them and wondered what it would be like to ride one. Then we decided that you really can't see them in a bigger car so it would be slightly unsafe to ride. As for others, if you want to ride an unsafe vehicle through the street... go for it. On the noise issue, I think first you should address the "lowriders" with 22" subwoofers in the back setting off car alarms before you complain about a high pitched buzzing that is gone in a few moments.


On 08 July 2004 (05:50 PM), Johnny said:

The difference between the high pitched scooters/ pocket bikes and the lowriders is that it's much harder to get a bead on the scooters and pocket bikes because they're so much smaller. You need much better aiming skills.


On 12 July 2004 (06:54 AM), Kim said:

My husband and I go camping several times a month with our children and these little bikes have become very well known. My kids love them and I must say they are very cute. I do worry about how safe they are, but then I do feel that it is up to the parents to watch their children at all times and be very strict with the rules and how to use them. I don't mind them at all as long as I know that kids follow the rules of the road and they respect other people and cars around them. It's the big "KIDS" out there that ruin it for the little ones with their foul mouths and can't seem to follow the rules. I say it's a great, fun little toy and my boys eyes light up each time they see them. I think we will buy one for our son to enjoy while camping, but only to he played with where he can't bother anyone, or get in anyones way. Just remember, toys have changed tons in the years sense we were little, and we all knows how it feels to see something we really want to have and how much it means to us when we get it. Kids are only kids for a short time, so I say there is nothing wrong with a little fun.


On 14 July 2004 (10:46 AM), Stacey said:

What is the difference between a car with a broken muffler or a loud pocket bike? nothing, so if you want to complain about pocket bikes, then you should complain about every car that drives by your house with a broken muffler. Pocket bikes are legal if the rider has a driver's license, and if a person is riding by your house and you dont like it there is nothing you can do because a street is government property. I dont understand why everytime a new toy comes out that is meant for enjoyment, uptight people have to go and ruin it. If a person is going to ride a pocket bike irresponcibly and get hurt, then let them, why should you care if you don't like pocket bikes. And just to top it off, I think YOU are annoying. =o) peace.


On 14 July 2004 (12:08 PM), Jahari said:

I don't know why pocket bikes have to be illegal on sidewalks. Because if you think about it, you could stop or go around the pedestrians. I mean kids need a way to get to school if they can't drive or have their parents drive them. I know people ride the bus, but not all kids like to ride that. I mean if I wore a helmet then it should be fine, right? And why do you have to be 16? I mean when your 16 you can have a car and no one is going to pass up a car for a motor bike. I mean you should make the age 13 and older. A 16 year old can get hurt just as easily as a 13 year old can. Plus, you don't have to ride pocket bikes in the street you could ride them in the bike lane. NE way. PEACE YALL!


On 14 July 2004 (12:25 PM), J.D. said:

Okay, though I disagree with most of you, I'm not arguing because I recognize you have valid points. However, this is dumb:

I don't know why pocket bikes have to be illegal on sidewalks.

Pocket bikes are illegal on sidewalks for the same reason motorcycles or automobiles are illegal on sidewalks. They're too big, and they go too fast, and they can easily hurt a pedestrian or, worse, be hurt by an automobile.

Remember: in most places, bicycles are illegal on sidewalks, too. You might not think it's true, but it is. (It's not a law that is often enforced.) There are reasons for this.

Riding a pocket bike on a sidewalk is dangerous.


On 17 July 2004 (03:15 AM), terry said:

hello everyone, i dont know what all the fuss is about, pocketbikes should be aloud the same privilages as a bicycle. motorized scooters are all over the place, and they are not illegal. if they are not then i dont see why pocketbikes are not legal, its the same dang thing. the noise? hell what about the import cars like honda and acura, most of the mufflers on them sound like a bunch of pissed off bees in a tin can. as of right now pocketbikes are not legal on the streets or in the bike lanes, buy you can ride them all day long on private property or in a designated area. we should at least be aloud to to ride them in the bike lanes. im 22 yrs old, i bought one for fun and transportation (my work is about a mile away from where i live) and these bikes will travel about 20-30 miles on a tank of gas. ok ill stop talking now, take care all!!!


On 17 July 2004 (06:47 PM), Z. said:

I don't get it. If "pocket bike" riders want to be on the public streets, then buy a 50cc street legal scooter! Then, you won't have to worry about being pulled over by a cop and getting it confiscated.

If you bought a pocket bike for fun AND transportation, then you should have thought about how viable it would be as transportation, considering that it was always in a gray area and could be outlawed at anytime.

I'm speaking from the perspective of a small-bike lover. My first bike was a little Yamaha 50cc Champ cycle. It was like a moped, but had no pedals and was a motor-driven cycle. By design, it was a street-legal bike and it got me from home to work in downtown SF for 2 years. My 2nd bike was a Yamaha RX-50... a small street cruiser that went up to 52 mph... legally, on public streets.

I'm on my 3rd little bike, a 125cc Suzuki GN 125. It's fun, it's practical, it's cheap to run, it helps my back, it gets me to those hard-to-park parts of town, and I can drive it on any non-freeway public street without getting paranoid about a cop seeing me go by.

So... want to drive on the streets? Forget the pocket bikes- go for a real bike. Then you can stop sweating and getting peeved at the new pocket bike laws. Getting a drivers license and paying insurance on a street legal little bike is a good lesson in adult-responsibility for young people.

My Suzuki will STILL be on the streets after all those pocket bikes are in police custody!


On 18 July 2004 (08:19 PM), Larry NC said:

Alright here is the truth about life, the sunshine causes cancer(death), the resturaunts we all eat at have secondhand smoke thick in the air canacer, heart trouma, disease (death), eating store bought foods have preservatives and added chemicals poision (death slowly), the freeways are clogged with cars exhaust gasses, Poisions (death), people driving the biggest vehicles they can find? your helping the poisioning of the earth. by the way we all breath the air out there guess what yeah it causes death too. I drive bikes 600cc and 47cc pocket rockets. with all this bad news people still need something to complain about. stop targeting some-one else or some new toy, look at yourself and ask why are you so worried about that. my son cant get kidnapped on a pocket rocket going to his friends house. but it is easy to grab a child walking, isnt it hard to stop 125pounds going 30m.p.h... Oh yeah when he goes down the road people hear him and notice him. When a child gets missing most of the time no one saw anything, bottom line yes they bother people, yes people like them, yes they are dangerous, yes being alive in today is also dangerous too right. every one praise GOD we can be diferent and complain.. let kids have fun and grow up their way, give guidence and pray for us all..
by the way if you think a weed eater engine is loud you should hear me ride my big bike ha ha ha that is loud!!!


On 19 July 2004 (03:46 PM), Pocket Bike Hater said:

My problem with pocket bikes is that they are extremely loud. For that very reason, they should be banned. Sure modded cars and motorcycles are loud too but they often pass by quickly and the noise stops. However, kids with pocket bikes go around and around and around the neighborhood creating a nuisance. You people who defend pocket bikes are probably the disrespectful type with no regard for others. Police should cite and impound pocket bikes ridden on the street or sidewalk.


On 19 July 2004 (06:55 PM), Jim in OC said:

I HAVE AN ELECTRIC RAZOR POCKET ROCKET AND IT IS SO QUIET YOU CAN'T HEAR IT COMING. IT ONLY GOES 12MPH MAX. SO DON'T GROUP THE NOISY GAS BIKES WITH THE ELECTIC. EASE UP!


On 19 July 2004 (06:55 PM), Jim in OC said:

I HAVE AN ELECTRIC RAZOR POCKET ROCKET AND IT IS SO QUIET YOU CAN'T HEAR IT COMING. IT ONLY GOES 12MPH MAX. SO DON'T GROUP THE NOISY GAS BIKES WITH THE ELECTIC. EASE UP!


On 20 July 2004 (03:31 PM), Z. said:

It's not the noise... it's the irresponsibility of how pocket bikes are driven and used by irresponsible kids. After dark with no lights... with baby brother sitting on the gas tank while pre-teen bro "drives", no helmets, whizzing across the road unexpectedly without any signal or warning, etc. They act like just because they don't need a driver's license, then they can play on PUBLIC roadways in any way they want to. Our police dept wasn't sure how to deal with it until some kid on a pocket bike got smacked by a SUV while the kid was driving recklessly. Then the bikes got outlawed on city streets.

I don't follow the "S*** happens" philosophy or take a cavalier attitude that "life is dangerous anyway because of pollution and food chemicals, so let kids have their fun (riding pocket bikes)". The conclusion (let them ride pocket bikes) has NOTHING to do with the premise, nor can the premise justify it. You'd think the safety of one's kid is important enought NOT to simply let them endanger it even more (voluntarily) in addition to the involuntary dangers of living in today's world.

Personally, I wouldn't want to nurse my kid through a horrifying accident with an SUV. And I wouldn't want to be an SUV owner either. After all, the kid's head being exactly in line with an SUV bumper is a scary thing.

There's reasons why any four-wheeled go-cart is NOT on our public roadways. And I think the same reasons are valid for pocket bikes. Kids who "want it" and are anxious to putt-putt around town need to wait til they're old enough to get a license for their first bona-fide motor vehicle. And adults... just GET a real bike and all of your complaints and worries about pocket-bike legality becomes a moot point.


On 23 July 2004 (12:58 AM), MrPocket said:

I agree that pocket bikes should be made illegal on highways or streets where vehicles normally pass. But NOT on bike lanes and parks. I agree that these bikes should be confiscated and driver cited BUT ONLY IF
1. the owner caused harm to someone or to a property AND
2. if it is run at night time.

If he injures himself then there is no one else to blame but the rider for being irresponsible. Besides, there are also a lot of responsible pocket bike drivers why stop them from having fun?

You all complain too much!!! Noise? yeah right. there are new mufflers coming out for these bikes that can easily suppress the noise. If that rule is imposed then that is fine by me.

dangerous? what about roller blades, stunt bikes and skateboards. Can you imagine what kids do to play 20 or 30 years ago?? they get into even more dangerous activities than bikes but most of them are still alive today and even stronger and healthier.

Would you rather have your kids stay inside your house get bored and be stuck with their TVs, playstation, xbox and worse, think about doing drugs or watch porn? Riding is a good exercise and helps people socialize and meet other people.

I am an adult. Why do I like pocket bikes? Simple, it's the fun of having to drive a miniature replica of the real thing in a smaller scale. What could be more fun than that?!?

Don't you notice that there are so many laws now that it makes life so much boring and complicated at the same time.



On 23 July 2004 (04:32 PM), PocketMaster said:

They should make pocket bikes legal. I mean........how come a person with full blast on their radio at night doesnt get pulled over but a pocket bike that makes half the noise gets pulled over. It's ridiculous! Everyone should be able to ride it, but only if they have a helmet. That's very fair.


On 23 July 2004 (05:54 PM), Dave said:

A) People with their radios on full blast at night should get pulled over.

B) Because one individual breaks the law with no apparent consequences is neither an excuse nor an invitation for multiple people to follow suit.

C) The distinction between skateboards, rollerblades, and stunt bikes versus pocket bikes is 1) that pocket bike riders want equal space on the road with full sized vehicles, an activity that is inherently dangerous to the rider of the bike (pocket bike v. automobile = roadkill), the fact that pocket bike riders generally seem ignorant of this obvious fact leads me to question their rationality generally, 2) there are no rules governing the construction, roadworthiness, lighting, emissions, insurance for or safety requirements for pocket bikes. As such they are inherently unpredictable on the road and therefore dangerous to pedestrians and motorists.

D) The argument that they're only hurting themselves if they're irresponsible is logical if you assume that everyone is a rational actor at all times (and therefore incapable of irresponsible actions) and that there is never any other person involved in any given mishap. The only way that holds true is if they're alone in a gigantic bowl. In the meantime if the pocket bike rider's irresponsibility means that I mow him over while he's screwing around on the road where they shouldn't be I want their insurance to pay for taking their head sized dent out of my bumper and for cleaning their carcass out of my suspension.


On 24 July 2004 (12:35 PM), civicsport1 said:

I just got one of these pocketbikes sent to me from Cali. its a blast, I bought it to race my 14 year old neighbor. I am 31. I ride a 2003 kawa ninja zx6r and have a valid motorcycle liscense. We wear the proper riding gear and we stay off the main rodes in our area, simply becuase of lack of knowledge of laws surounding thse little bikes. to get to the point. lawmakers should review: 1. their own childhood and notice that they did some crazy stuff when they were "kids" and relax 2. make laws to govern these bikes, I.E. designated areas to ride (bike lanes, parking lots non-state maintained streets or roads with certian speed limits). they should not just arbatrarly sit back and ban them all together and outlaw them. this is America not the old soviet union. how far are laws going to go to protect us from ourselves. I mean we do have free will and are responsible for making descisions for ourselves. If I chose not to be smart and ride down the freeway, I deserve what I get. the person who hits me does not though and thats why I am in favor of rules to govern their use. As for the noise problem. I reciently had the cops called on me for noise, and get this it was 3 pm on a saturday.. not 11 pm on a monday night!! hey I will respect my neighbor and try to avoid buzzing by their house but as a person with a modified civic, I tell you my car makes much more noise out of the intake (not even to mention my exhaust) the my pocketbike does. I am hoping that people will take action and write their law maker to let them know how some of us feel, and urge them to make this a safe "rideable" hobby. thanks for listening to me.
be safe out there
E


On 24 July 2004 (05:37 PM), dowingba said:

lawmakers should review: 1. their own childhood and notice that they did some crazy stuff when they were "kids" and relax...

Remind me to kill myself when laws start being governed by a bunch of kids' desire to do "crazy stuff"...


On 24 July 2004 (08:52 PM), Z. said:

How's about this compromise, then? Some common sense ideas...

1) Pocket bikes can be legalized in bicycle lanes and in places where normal traffic does not go.

2) Since bicycle lanes are on the side of regular streets, pocket bikes are expected to obey stop signs and signals and give right-of-way to larger vehicles moving in the cross-traffic. Pocket bikes are not allowed to enter main traffic to get into a left turn lane. They must "walk" the bike across the street like a bicycle rider does.

3) Since pocket bikes have no lights, they cannot be driven after dark.

4) Any picket bike rider is required to wear a helmet and may not have any passengers (e.g. baby brother) on the bike.

5) Parents are expected to have adequate medical insurance for their children who ride pocket bikes BECAUSE (and here's the doozy:)

LEGAL MOTOR VEHICLES WILL NOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR ACCIDENTS WITH POCKET BIKES ON PUBLIC ROADS! (This is in case Johnny on his new bike "forgets" that he's supposed to be in a bicycle lane, forgets to stay off main roads, and forgets to stop at stop signs, etc.)

I keep hearing these claims that people riding pocket bikes are doing it out of their own free will, and if they get hurt, it's their fault. Oh come on! Get real! We KNOW it won't work that way! Mommy and Daddy will try and sue the pants off the car driver who hit poor Johnny. The car driver who didn't see Johnny ends up with higher insurance rates and a strike against them on their driving record, because some people kept clamoring for bikes that do not meet legal safety requirements to be on the road, or on the side of roads.

So... let's see pocket bike riders and their parents agree to these provisions and accepting ALL consequences for their actions!

(shakes head) I still don't see any reason for an adult wanting to ride those things on public roads. There's street-legal 50cc scooters or 1980's-era cool little street bikes (Yamaha YSR-50, RX-50) that you can buy. And you'd be ENTITLED to a lane.

In fact, yesterday, I had a pleasant conversation with a guy on a scooter. "50cc or 80cc?" He said he was on a 50cc, and it takes some 55 minutes to visit his Mom, 25 miles away. His scooter maxxed at 42mph, and he said he'd LOVE an 80cc- so he can go 50 mph easily. Then, he was interested in whether my little 125cc was freeway legal, and how fast it would realistically go. Then we traded tips on routes to get from San Francisco to San Mateo without getting on a freeway.

Pocket Bike dudes and dudettes... while you folks are hollering to get your bikes legalized on roads (huge uphill battle), we street-legal bike and scooter owners don't even have to deal with your problems. We KNOW our bikes are street legal and won't get hassled by cops unless we're driving like idiots. I agree that driving little bikes around town CAN be a safe, fun hobby and a great way to socialize with other bike owners. The difference is getting something that can be registered. Even in California, my insurance rates are $75/yr and registration is $75/yr. It don't break the bank.


On 26 July 2004 (03:28 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Ok people, you are right pocket bikes are a tad unsafe, but they are meant for fun, and if you want to complain about something why not complain about things that are really important? Like 12 year old kids smoking weed, and carrying knives. They do make silencers for the bikes, and I do have one, i live in one of the nicest neighborhoods ive seen, with a bunch of uptight people and they love it. So before you go trying to ban the things, think of otherways to solve your problem, like silencing them, or putting speed limits on them. They are meant for fun and you people are ruining that.


On 26 July 2004 (03:34 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Oh, and another thing, my pocket bikes does have lights, turn signals, brake lights, ext.... So as long as im not on a main road, i dont see the problem. you people are just too uptight for your own good, and should maybe stay inside, cause you cant complain about everything in life that you dont like. Id like to be a millionaire, but thats not happening so deal with what your delt.


On 26 July 2004 (04:29 PM), Dave said:

Well, I live in a decent neighborhood too. I personally like to go around shooting my 9mm at trees in the neighborhood. I never shoot at people or houses. I also like to shoot straight up in the air, where it's obviously not going to hurt anyone. I have all the proper safety equipment, goggles, hearing protection, etc. and I have a safety on my gun, so I'm safe. I don't shoot across busy streets or anything, either, I shoot lengthwise down the street along the side where there aren't any cars. And when I'm shooting straight up into the air if I'm standing under the bullet when it comes down that's just my own darn fault and I'm prepared for the consequences of that.

I like to do this because it's fun. Sure, it's lots of noise, but it's no noisier than those people with the booming sub-woofers in the back of their little Dodge Neons and I can get a silencer if I want to, so that's not a problem. People are constantly complaining about me shooting in the neighborhood, claiming that it's risky and dangerous. But I always shoot with the right equipment and I'm just trying to have fun. So all you people who are trying to shut down my shooting fun just need to go inside and learn to deal with it. And as soon as my 4 year old neighbor can hold my Beretta .32 Tomcat, I'm going to teach her how to shoot at trees and up in the air too.


On 26 July 2004 (07:16 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Well, now lets see, is there a difference between a person riding a weedeater engine in the street, or a person using a gun shooting it down the street? Hmmmmm... well now thats a hard one. Guns kill millions of people a year, ive never heard of even 10 people dying on a pocket bike. Oh and why your shooting down the street and in the air, remember them bullets come down, and kill people miles away, i doubt people even a block away can hear my bike. So yes i do belive that comparing a gun to a weedeater engine, is a little stupid and moronic. Nice try though idiot.


On 26 July 2004 (07:19 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Oh, and while im thinking about it, I dont think pocket bikes should be legal on the streets, main streets that is. I should be able to ride it on the residental streets, thats why i can, that is legal, and someone way above you thinks so. Thats also why guns are illegal Dave, because someone that has the power to decide though so.


On 26 July 2004 (07:31 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Civicsport1, I agree with you, I have also asked my neighbors and they all say its ok, but if one were to say No, I would simply not ride it by their house. By the way, you should be a public speaker, you group your words very nicely.


On 26 July 2004 (07:49 PM), Dave said:

Heavy sigh.

I love it when I need to explain the argument. Let's have you all start by looking up the definition of Reductio ad absurdum.

If, however, you truly believe that your actions occur in a vacuum and that you are the alpha and the omega of all your actions and all of their possible ramifications, then the argument will never make much sense to you, I fear.


On 26 July 2004 (09:16 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Dave,

I understand the argument. Its just that you cant have these things without looking at both sides first. Now if we "pocket bike riders" are willing to work with you on this issue why cant other people work with us answer me that?


On 26 July 2004 (09:21 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Dave, I meant you cant have these things banned without looking at both sides first.


On 27 July 2004 (12:33 PM), David Taylor said:

Maybe they should stop making SUVs instead of telling people that these wonderful new transportation devices need to stay off the road. They don't use alot of gas and take much less material to make. Redesigning our methods of moving around is more logical than trying to tell us that what we have is not suitable for adult society. Its more suitable than most vehicles out there. Hydrogen fuel cell pocket bikes for everyone! Say yes to Earth and no to gas gussling tanks (SUVs)!


On 27 July 2004 (01:13 PM), Johnny said:

Yeah, let's get rid of the SUV! I'm all for it. The SUV is dead, long live the Buick Roadmaster stationwagon!!


On 27 July 2004 (01:55 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Well Dadvid, not a bad idea. Lets do away with Suv's. They do use alot of gas and you cant see me too well on my fuel saving bike. So keep bikes and not suvs. What do you have to say about that shooting dave?


On 27 July 2004 (02:47 PM), Dave said:

Not a bad trade off, I suppose. Big, obnoxious, inefficient belching beasts for small, irritating, noisy beasts. With the added bonus that pocket bikes, being smaller than SUV's, will offer more sporting challenge to hit. Might even have to break out the trusty ol' 12-gauge.

Yes, I think I could live with that.


On 27 July 2004 (03:23 PM), Lynn said:

I think that pocket bikes should be banned if only because of their obvious effect on the grammar and spelling of the rider. Not to mention the fact that they render the rider unable to understand the use of an "analogy" to illustrate a point.

Also, as a licensed insurance agent, I can pretty much guarantee that there is no way that a law could be written to negate the liability of an automobile operator when an accident occurs involving a pocket bike.

Finally, the idea of looking at something from both sides needs to involve a healthy shot of both objectivity and reality, or it just won't work. Comparing pot-smoking to pocket bike-riding is like comparing apples and oranges. Alas, I may be treading on thin ice with the introduction of yet another analogy.


On 27 July 2004 (03:51 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Oh so Lynn,
You disagree when i compared pocket bikes and weed, but agreed with mike about comparing a 9mm to a pocket bike. Well now that sure is funny. Either way I can tell you now that pocket bikes are and will never be banned totally. Maybe frome busy streets and big cities but never from everywhere. So no matter how much we argue whether or not they should be banned, I have already won. So I think that you should just move on to a more important topic, maybe one that you could have a chance on winning and changing, as far as pocket bikes go, you will never win. Ever.


On 27 July 2004 (03:54 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Oh and as far as my grammar goes, it has nothing to with the argument, I simply mis type or dont realize how to spell it. I think that you know that you have lost this battle, and are stooping as low to make fun of my grammar. Either way it doesnt hurt my feelings, and I will always ride my pocket bike, Legal or Not.


On 27 July 2004 (04:06 PM), Lynn said:

sarcasm

n : witty language used to convey insults or scorn; "he used sarcasm to upset his opponent"; "irony is wasted on the stupid"; "Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own"--Johathan Swift [syn: irony, satire, caustic remark]
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On 27 July 2004 (05:47 PM), chic said:

I think this site is really gay all i think it is for is a bunch of gay people to sit down and complain about this and that. why the hell wont you just get a life.


On 27 July 2004 (08:56 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Chic, good thinking In fact some of us have lives but others are trying to tear down pieces of it because they think that they have to have their way. Oh Lynn if you fuckin talk to me like im stupid again, I will shut down your computer, you got that? Think im kidding, try me. I know how to do alot more than ride a pocket bike.


On 28 July 2004 (08:14 AM), Jeff said:

Thanks Pocket Rider. I needed a good laugh. Please, shut my computer down - I want to see this.


On 28 July 2004 (11:26 AM), Hoodlum said:

I saw this show and they were showing pocket rockets and they looked awesome. If you don't like them shutup and get out of the peoples way that actually have some fun in life.


On 28 July 2004 (01:28 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Now Dave and Lynn, I didnt ask you not to respond. I want to hear your arguments, just dont act like im a complete moron. I would like to hear why these things should get banned. And while were talking, lets try to stay on topic here huh?


On 28 July 2004 (02:41 PM), Dave said:

I refuse to negotiate with terrorists. It's part of my subscription agreement with 2600.


On 28 July 2004 (03:41 PM), Matty said:

IM BUILDING A POCKET ROCKET ANF I NEED SOME HELP ON GETTTING IT TO HALL A$$... if any one has a motor for sale or any tips that can help me on my way i would be greatful.

Thank you Matty


On 28 July 2004 (09:51 PM), Pocket Rocket said:

Matty, I can give you a couple hints on that. Oh and Dave, im glad i could shut you up. and im not a terrorist, in fact im in the Navy. If you must know. Davey, ill give you my e-mail later. Then you can give my yours, and ill give you some hints. Oh, and for all you pocket rocket haters, Fuck you, and glad to get you off the site. uptight mother fuckers, god leave people alone, and get a life. all you can do is bitch at other people, so fuck off. and have a nice day.


On 28 July 2004 (10:20 PM), Huss said:

This is too funny. Especially Jeff's recent entry! I am still laughing Jethro!

I can't believe this is still going JD. Thanks for the entertainment.


On 29 July 2004 (02:31 AM), Mario said:

In the past people have complained about surfers,paragliders,snow boarding and just about any thing that has to do wiht having clean fun.I like to remind these people that this country is suposed to be free.Go find a Nazy Germany and move there.You complainers will be happy there.


On 29 July 2004 (02:07 PM), pj said:

Pocket bikes have a new official name: "Trailer trash bitch bikes". This moniker is more representative of the demographic that rides them.


On 29 July 2004 (03:08 PM), Pocket Bike said:

Trailor trash huh? And they represent their rider? Hmmmmmm... Lets see, 10 to 1 says i make alot more than you do. So if im trailor trash, your ass would have to be homeless, job less, and havent eaten for about 2 weeks. You cant make assumptions about pocket bike riders, because some are rich, some are poor, and others are about middle. Your prob. just mad, cause you cant afford one. Its ok, you can ride mine. Lol


On 29 July 2004 (04:46 PM), Harley said:

If you make so much money why don't you own a real bike?


On 29 July 2004 (05:11 PM), Pocket Rocket said:

I do in fact own 2 ninjas, ones a 600 and ones a 900. Nobody ever said that i didnt have a real one. You just assumed.


On 29 July 2004 (08:47 PM), devon said:

hi this is devon and i was wondering if you can give me a pocket bike for free. pleasssssssssssssssssssssssse.
hope you can
hope you do please


On 30 July 2004 (03:29 AM), Pocket Rocket said:

For Free???, maybe at discount but not for free, they aren't cheap. If they were cheaper i would. But not at $500 a pop. and thats a cheap one. How much could you spend? I will work off of that. Oh, and everyone, im not really an asshole, i just get mad, when i am willing to risk my life to protect our freedom, and people want to tear all that down. It just doesn't make sense to me. If you have a prob. with them just ask the rider to not ride down your street. If he still does, then he/she is and asshole. And i cant really say much else. have a nice day.


On 30 July 2004 (11:23 AM), Spanky said:

That's funny that Dave threatens to resort to violence to stop these pocket bike riders. What the heck? Smaller targets? Need to use your old 12 gage? Jeez, if premeditated murder is your idea of solving a dispute, I can see how these pocketbikers don't care about your side of the issue.

Hey everyone! Let's suit up with our kevlar vests and do doughnuts in Daves yard. Let's see if "old Deadeye" can hit one of us! And if he does..we'll stop riding forever!


On 30 July 2004 (01:28 PM), Dave said:

A) "Humor"; look it up Spanky.
B) Pocket Rocket- "and im not a terrorist, in fact im in the Navy." Either you don't pay much attention to current events or your vocabulary doesn't include the word "irony" (or else I've seriously misunderestimated your rhetorical skills). Either way I appreciate your willingness to do your duty.
C) Pocket Rocket- my IP address is 127.0.0.1. I'm connected to the net 24/7 at that address. Go ahead and try to shut down my computer. I'll even leave the firewall open and the lights on.


On 30 July 2004 (03:01 PM), Dave said:

Im sorry pocket rocket, i love pocket bikes. In fact i am a complete moron, and Spanky i will let you ride in peace, because you know i could close my windows and doors, and leave everyone in peace, and hey they really aren't that loud, and they are gone in a couple seconds. So i am sorry pocket rocket and spanky.


On 30 July 2004 (03:21 PM), Pocket Rocket said:

i have resorted to impersonation as a means of arguing. i have no clue how to shut down someone else's computer, so i will just pretend to be Dave (except i won't change my punctuation or spelling to resemble his posts).


On 30 July 2004 (03:24 PM), Pocket Rocket said:

Dang. i just made myself look stupid. i will now attempt to shut down my own computer.


On 30 July 2004 (05:04 PM), FUCK YOU said:

Fuck you, where do you live. Tell me, ill come


On 31 July 2004 (07:40 AM), Pocket Bikes r kool! said:

I DISAGREE WITH THIS CRAP MAKE THEM STREET LEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


On 31 July 2004 (07:46 AM), Pocket Rocket said:

I doub it prob some 7 year old "where do u live ill come." that is real gay i live in Oknawa Japan... oh ill come.... blah blah...ur gay.


On 31 July 2004 (07:57 AM), Dave said:

Actually Japan thats great, cause im getting stationed there October 19th, of this year. So I will be there. That is if you do live there. Which i dont think you do, otherwise you have no room to complain about the bikes at all and need to get off of this site.


On 31 July 2004 (05:37 PM), Margie said:

Ok in response to comparing the pocket bikes to Harleys....NO COMPARISON!! I live in between two of them and I do not live in the hood. Do I want to move? YES. Can I? No...not yet..but for now I see the Harleys leave in the morning on Saturday and come back at night. My husband hates them more out out of fakeness than noise and I see them as a means of going on a pleasure ride for some Old Fogies...on the other hand...what kind of parents are buying these little pit bull menacing pocket bikes? Who are you? The kids in our neighborhood are all from different races, around 8-19 years old, and all middle class. There is one major thread...their parents must be happy to be rid of these boys while the rest of the neighborhood gives them dirty looks. Not me..I step out into the street, tell them they are not street legal, in my teacher voice ask if they need me to talk to their parents, and lie about a sleeping baby. 100% of them apologize and walk the bikes home. how sweet.no egg on my door..yet.


On 31 July 2004 (06:16 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Actuall Margie, they are street legal if you must know. On residental streets, just not on main roads and sidewalks, so really you are not allowed to yell at them. The road is not yours, and therefore you can do nothing about it. Have a nice day and tell them boys i said hi, ok.


On 31 July 2004 (11:36 PM), Mario said:

I have 2 pocket bikes and I was riding one of them at an empty parking lot.A policeman came and basically told me that they were illegal to ride any where except in private property.Meaning inside your home.I could not believe that.I have been doing some investigating but no one seems to know where it is o.k. to ride these bikes.Does some one here know what the real law is?I would like to know.


On 01 August 2004 (12:47 AM), Pocket Rider said:

Mario,
Actually it matters on your city/town, and if you have blinkers, lights, horn...exc. So its hard to say. But it is legal to ride them in most cities and towns on residental rodes, if you have the blinkers, horn, exc. I would just ride your bike. If you get pulled over again ask him to contact his seperior and talk to him, if hes says its illegal, tell him you want to see proof, cause 10 to 1 hes lying.
Thats why is such an argument, because there are no laws banning these thing. So if you would like more information on this, contact me at Ghidion101@yahoo.com.
P.S. Dave, please do not leave me bad messages, I am not "Pocket Rocket", Different people, Thank You.


On 01 August 2004 (10:41 AM), Margie said:

Pocket rider..you have a black leather couch don't you? In fact I bet you are a fire fighter or perhaps a contractor..maybe even a partner in a nightclub. I bet you are divorced or perhaps single...I do not want to stereotype you. You are obviously smart and have the ability to charm, but com'on, since when do gentlemen put their own childish hobbies over the burden and inconvenience of others..I say this as a stranger, but I feel like I know you because I have seen many men just like you in my business and neighborhood. PS I don't yell at any of the kids in our neighborhood..they are kids not grown men...I just inform them of how noisy they are going around in circles for hours.Try thinking about your neighbors and how they feel. I don't care if my neighbors have Harleys,SUVs, painted dragons on their fences or pink roofs. Noise is much more obtrusive.


On 01 August 2004 (11:56 AM), Z. said:

Read this article.

Face it... any city, at any time CAN make pocket bikes illegal. All they have to do is pull a DMV on you, categorize them as "motor-driven cycles" and then POOF! your bikes are illegal to ride on the streets and subject to confiscation.

I think you guys are in the same boat as dirt bike/trail riders. You had bought a vehicle that is, at best, an off-road recreational vehicle. Dirt bike riders have accepted that. Soon, pocket bike riders have to accept that, too.

If you spent a grand or two on the pocket bike and DEMAND to drive them on streets (even residential ones), you're in for a losing battle. A little common sense would say to check your local laws before you buy it for the purpose of joyriding on the streets, or getting a quart of milk, If it's not specifically LEGAL, then you should logically guess that it could become ILLEGAL.

I don't have an issue with the sound of the bikes. I have a car too, and I don't want the responsibility of injuring or killing some doofus who insisted on riding a little bike that is WAY below my sight line. A pocket bike that is obviously unsafe. Think about it... even people who drive little cars can't see a pocket biike rider on the side of the road... your head is below the level of their passenger door. They look out the passenger side window to change lanes or make right turns, and they CANNOT SEE YOU. If you're on a pocket bike, you're roadkill.

That's the issue, IMHO. If you want miniature bikes that you can race AND drive around in town, campaign to bring back the Yamaha YSR-50s!

http://www.teamcalamari.com/


On 01 August 2004 (04:09 PM), Claire said:

After 3 months of telling my 14 yr old son that he couldn't get a pocket bike, he bought it anyway. I called the parent that sold him the bike and told him that they are illegal to ride under age 16. He said "it was my problem, not his"!! He has the money--I have the headache now!!
I called the local police station and they agreed that he needs to be 16 to ride it. However, they look the other way when they see one.
I'm a parent, I'm the responsible party and I don't want my kid getting killed!! I guess I'll be the one getting killed when I throw it in the trash.
TAKE THEM OFF THE MARKET AND ANYONE THAT NEEDS TO GET AROUND, BUY A REAL MOTORCYLCE. WHAT IS THE POINT OF BEING 12 INCHES OFF THE GROUND?


On 01 August 2004 (06:40 PM), Z. said:

Claire, I sympathize.

It seems to me that you need to emphasize your parental RIGHTS over your minor son. Just because he has the money, it doesn't mean he can just buy a pocket bike and illegally drive it on the streets while you wring your hands with disapproval. You, as the parent, are responsible for the safety of your kid AND the financial liability of any damage he does.

Your 14 year old is not entitled to drive your car either. He might WANT to, but the law says he can't and being the parent means you have to say, "NO, you can't, son" and mean it.

So, you need to have a talk with your son. The options are a) sell it, b) we'll lock it up til you're 16. He's a minor kid. You are not depriving him of any legal right. You are in charge of your house, and whatever toys your kid(s) can have. Put your foot down.

BTW- I was 19 when I bought my first moped. I needed a driver's license for it, and I fully understood my responsibilities and liabilities as a vehicle driver. Problem is that with these pocket bikes, people seem to feel ENTITLED to a piece of the road. Driving is a privilege, not a right.

If people made a stupid decision when shopping, and ended up buying a non-street legal vehicle, yet they're demanding a piece of the road now that their toys are being banned as safety hazards, I can't say I'm too sympathetic.


On 02 August 2004 (11:14 AM), Chris said:

Can someone tell me flat out if pocket bikes are legal or not in California? I'm thinking of getting but i dont want to spend a bunch of money and then have some cop say I can't ride it.


On 02 August 2004 (06:28 PM), J said:

I am 25 and I bought a pocket bike and THEY ARE FUN....
All of you guys have become the old fuddy duddy's that used to stop YOU from having fun when you were younger.
LOUD???
ITS A LAWNMOWER/ROTOTILLER ENGINE!!!!!!!!!
WITH A MUFFLER at that!!!
Next time you old farts fire up that lawnmower for the twenty mintues that it takes you to mow your lawn, you'll be making TWICE as much noise as a muffled pocket bike. Except you wont be dispersing the noise around, you'll just be engulfing your poor neighbor with the same noise that you are on this site wimpering about.

The gas powered scooters aren't for kids, nor can a kid go and fork over the $400 to buy one. So quit trying to outlaw something that's perfectly fun and safe for us 18-69 year olds that aren't too busy waving canes at passerby's telling them to "slow down!", or "too loud!".
We prefer to LIVE our lives and have fun doing and experiencing things.

ANYONE 16 OR OLDER CAN GO AND BUY A 1000cc MOTORCYCLE AND GO 150mph+ AND KILL THEMSELVES BUT WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT POCKET BIKES


On 02 August 2004 (09:14 PM), Z. said:

Chris,

Here's what the California Highway Patrol has to say:
http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/pocketbikes.html

These are guidelines, and it's up to the local cities to enforce the law (or not enforce the law) as they see fit. If you happen to live in a city that's not San Francisco, or South San Francisco, or Fremont, you MIGHT be able to drive a pocket bike on a street, HOPING that the cops don't pull you over (a pocket bike does not have an explicit right to the road).

But if you do get pulled over, or if the city decides to ban the bikes outright, then a pocket bike owner is S.o.L. with a heap of metal that is unusable unless they want to a) ride the bike in the garage or one's own backyard (bwa hah hah hah) b) load it in a truck and drive it to a racetrack to have fun c) ride it around any way and anytime you like on one's own massive farmland.

I live in a city, so for myself, I'd rather be a smart shopper and buy something that's street-legal to begin with. That way, I'll never be in doubt and never worry about finding out that overnight, my toy might become illegal.

I LOVE little motorcycles. I like the way they feel, the way they sound, and the way that they help my back and they're FUN. I've driven them for 23 years. I can't fit on a full-sized bike, so I buy small bikes. But, I make sure they're street-legal first. I can cruise through the park. I can drive at night. I can have a full lane on anything that's not a freeway.

In a way, I have something in common with pocketbike riders: My bike is limited legally about where it can go. I can't drive on a freeway. I know that. I accept that. I knew that when I bought it. I'm not a doofus who's screaming to get my 125cc bike "legalized" on a freeway, although it can technically go over 60mph. So, if I can accept the limitations of my bike, knowing what it could and couldn't do, I honestly think pocket bike riders need a similar dose of reality.

What they bought was an off-road, recreational vehicle, just like a dirt bike/trail bike. If they wanted to ride on the street, the first question should have been to the dealer, DMV and the local police, "Can I drive this on the street?".

All that hollerin' about "legalize them!" is futile. The banning is just gonna get worse.


On 03 August 2004 (03:12 AM), Pocket Rider said:

For everyone that is wondering if they are legal or not in California, the answer is no, they are not legal. That is in California, most other places they are. Whoever said that i was very smart, I thank you, because I am. Now, they cant just make them illegal, simply because, then they would have to make motorized scooters, and the little motorized bikes, not pocket bikes, illegal. That as well as they would have to enforce no riding bikes on the side walk, not pocket bikes, i mean regular bikes, and yes that is illegal. Now do u see the problem. That and you only have to tag and insure your car or bike if it is over 50cc, and since they only make pocket bikes up to 49cc, they cant make you do that. That is another problem. For the concerned mother with the 14 year old. Tell him you do have to have a valid drivers license to ride a pocket bike. But do not be too concerned with his safty, the bikes themselves are not that dangerous, it is the drivers that I am concerned with. For anyone that is wondering, yes, I do own a pocket bike, they are a great deal of fun. I do also have a real bike. I didnt buy the pocket bike for transportation, i bought it stricly for fun. If anyone else has anymore questions, please do not be afraid to ask. I thank everybody for their oponion on this, if you would like to contact me, my email is: Ghidion101@yahoo.com
Thank You once again, and have a nice day everyone!


On 03 August 2004 (06:19 PM), Chris said:

So they are not legal in California. That is strange because my friend who owns a gas scooter can pass by a cop, wave at him and get away with it. It does't make sense. They have the same rules right? Oh, and do you think I could get away with riding in a private neighborhood? My friend lives in one.


On 03 August 2004 (07:53 PM), Pocket Rider said:

The rules and laws are different for everything. Its just that people complain about the pocket bikes, and they dont about the gas scooters. About the private neighborhood, the answer is yes you can. The only thing I would do is ask some of the local residents there and make sure that it isnt going to irritate them. Other than that, all I can say is, saddle up and have fun!


On 03 August 2004 (09:05 PM), Z. said:

Hey Pocket Rider, I think you're a cool dude. We don't agree on some issues about pocket bikes, but I noticed that you can hold your own in an adult- level discussion, and as long as people treat you with respect in posting, and you have good information and well thought-out replies. I respect that.

I can only go with what my state (California) has to say about the bikes. The DMV has made them flatly illegal (on streets) here, and my city has decided to step up enforcement on this. I personally agree with the banning of pocket bikes from city streets. We're a densely populated city, and there is no way that a pocket bike can be safe for the rider, or for the drivers of other vehicles on the roads like cars, SUVS, trucks.

The liability issue disturbs me the most. Even a pedestrian and a regular bicycle can be seen by most vehicles because the head level of the ped/bicycle rider is high enough to see. A pocket bike rider is not high enough to see. It's unfair for a car driver to be held responsible for an accident with a pocket bike, because those bikes were never properly designed for street use to begin with.

They need to be seriously redesigned. If, somehow, there can be a law that legalizes the bikes, makes them have enough safety equipment (lights, horns), makes them have a high enough seat height to make them visible to car drivers, and requires that they have enough power to properly take a lane (e.g. 25mph), and requires a driver's license (any, not requiring an M1), and requires riders to follow all traffic laws, then I'd support pocket bikes on the streets all the way.

I think the whole VIN requirement sucks. DMV in California says that any bike MUST have a VIN to be registered. There's the coolest little bikes for sale on the 'Net that are 50-100cc, and have all the bells and whistles (lights, mirrors, horn) on a mini-Harley chopper frame. The seat height is 22". But those baby Harley-like choppers do not have VINs, and therefore cannot be made street legal, even though they seem to have all the right stuff to be street-legal. If I was in the market for a little bike now, and if I could drive one of those babies on the street, I'd be interested in one.

My beef is with stupidity and irresponsibility when people ride pocket bikes around with no respect for the neighborhood, and no respect for others using the roads. Or kids playing "big shot" with their bikes.

But if the bike is large enough, and requires licensed adult drivers on them, respecting road rules, then I'm willing to support a compromise.


On 03 August 2004 (09:16 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Hey Z, actually we agree on more issuses than you think. I to agree that pocket bikes should be illegal on city streets, and heavy populated cities and or towns. I do however think that in smaller towns the bikes should be able to be rode on residental streets. They should however change the age from 16 to 18 because i remember when i was 16 and giving me something like that, well lets just say that I wouldnt be talking to you guys right now! Z your really cool and actually took the time to know what you are argueing about, thats more than I can say for most people, so thanks for trying to see both sides of the issue, see ya later!


On 03 August 2004 (09:20 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Oh Z, I really agree with you on the lights horn signals and everything, that is why before I bought mine, I made sure to have those things included with the bike. For anyone that is thinking about getting a pocket bike. If they are legal in your town, let me tell you that it is the lights, turn signals, brake lights, horn, exc... that makes them legal. Without those options than it is not legal, and cannot be rode. Once again thank you for taking the time to read my comments, and for posting replys, have fun!


On 05 August 2004 (01:44 PM), jj said:

if you make the mini bikes on sell like 100.99 you might get more dells


On 06 August 2004 (07:46 AM), dalton c said:

EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!! i have a pocket bike plus i dont go on busy streets or highways so it isnt a problem you know everyone is intitled to an opinion but guess what????????????? YOUR'S SUCKS!


On 06 August 2004 (09:18 AM), Pocket Rider said:

Dalton C,
Im sorry we are trying to keep this site civil, and grown up. As a fellow owner of a pocket bike, I am asking you to be nice to everyone and if your going to type something make sure it sounds somewhat intelligent. Because if you go just putting random things on the forum, than Im willing to bet that the people that want to bann these things will just laugh at you, In fact I gaurantee it. Do you want to know how I know that, well i'll tell you.
(1). Because I am laughing at you
(2). Because in your entire statement, you said nothing.
(3). Because you said, "Everyone is intitled to an opinion," yet you didnt leave one.
(4). Because you said "YOUR'S SUCKS!" and didnt refer to anything at all.
So there are just a couple of reason that I know. Now please stop leaving random things on here, and if you have something to say, then say it, but make sure its worth saying. Once again Thank You everybody and have a nice day!


On 07 August 2004 (12:00 PM), pocket supporter said:

you people are so fuckin funny why are you arguing pocket rockets are the shit and mybe you people need to get one and if somone wants to kick my ass i live in pa.


On 07 August 2004 (08:36 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Pocket Supporter,nobody has said anything bad about the bikes in like a month. They didnt feel like arguing with me. So now this forum is like a help line for people with pocket bikes, just to let you know. So nobody is going to read you comment except fellow pocket bike owners, or people wanting one. Well now you know what this forum is used for, and if you want to use it for that reason, then feel free. Otherwise please dont make comments like that. Thank You as always, and have a nice day!


On 07 August 2004 (09:01 PM), Chad Sheridan said:

hey....iam only 14 and i love these pocket rockets...i think its up to your parents to let you buy them.....i just got an electric one and iam gitting a gas one soon...i think they shouldn't have be licenced becasue they are under 50cc and i herd from people they have to be over that to be able to licence tho...i might be wrong...but all that i no is most people wouldnt do it anyways...and they are fun lil machines...i think they are no harm


On 08 August 2004 (11:07 AM), Z. said:

Chad, I'm going to have to disagree with you. An "under 50cc" engine is NOT harmless and innocuous as you suggest. A 50cc engine (well, 49.5cc) when geared correctly on a manual shift can go 52mph on the red line. How do I know? I owned a Yamaha RX-50 from 1983-1996 (thirteeen years) and it was a manual shift. I was curious, so I took it on the Great Highway and pushed it to 5th gear, red line. It went 52mph (it was a street legal bike).

Therefore, any pocket bike, if designed in a similar way, can push a 49.5CC engine to a similar speed. It's a motor vehicle. Not something to give to unlicensed drivers, Chad.

And even something going 25-30mph can also do some damage to other people's property. I'm not wanting to take your fun away... I think that if there's a special track for those bikes, or if you have a large property, or if you have someone's permission to drive it on their property, then it's cool, and you can have fun as much as you like.

But, when you mentioned "shouldn't have to be licensed", I think you're implying "ride them on the street" and I have to say "NO!" on that.

Don't let "under 50cc" fool ya, dude. "Under 50cc" can mean some real POWER in a bike. To ride on the street on somthing with a 49.5cc motor, to me, means "DRIVERS LICENSE REQUIRED". And I had other safety concerns too... detailed in a previous post. They're not designed correctly for on road use and they don't belong on city streets, on sidewalks, or in city parks, especially with unlicensed teen drivers.


On 08 August 2004 (12:32 PM), Pocket Rider said:

I am going to have to agree with Z. Simply because I own a 49cc pocket bike, and you should have to have a lincence to drive it. I say that because I have mine glittered with aftermarket parts and my carb tuned to go fast. The speedominator on mine taps and thats when I am going about 1/2 the speed that I can reach. I just had a friend that had the same bike as me, crash his and he broke his arm, wrist, and ankle, not to mention the bruises and cuts. So they could actually hurt you, and he was lucky to come out with that. I am glad he wrecked because he drove unsafe, maybe now he has learned to drive a little safer. So chad do you see the moral to my story? I am glad you have an electric one, practice on that for a while, until you are old enough to have a lisence. Then get a gas powered one, because like Z I have also owned bikes in the past, and still own a ninja 900. Ill tell you one thing, theses pocketbikes for the size, go faster, handle better, and are MORE dangerous than the real ones, if you would like my oponion on the subject scroll up and read it. Like always thanks for keeping this forum clean and adult like. Please dont make me have to make anyone else look stupid (dalton c), and have a nice day!


On 08 August 2004 (12:48 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Margie, I just read what you wrote, and thank you. I try not to ride where neighbors do not like it. For anyone that has one that happens to read this, do me a favor. Take 20 min out of your day and walk around your neighborhood and ask your neighbors how they feel about it. If they dont like it, avoid their street. This will help with the police as well. Cause hey, if you didnt make people upset, im sure the police wouldn't care about them. That is unless they are illigal where you live. Thank you, and have a nice day!


On 10 August 2004 (05:06 PM), johnny m said:

I have a pocket bike. wut is all the fuss, if people will complain about noisy little bikes they why wont we just complain about huge suv's with v12 and v8 engins that make a lot of noise.
so if u r going to make pocketbikes illigal then go ahead make garding tools illegal while ur at it.

And come on! kids and adults need to have a little more fun its not like u can follow all the laws and also when was the last time u did something fun with ur kid.

yes they r dangurous bout if u r being supervised and stay in a designated area and it is safer than idiots shooting guns all over the place.

and those 50cc engines r only 3 cc smaller what a big deal.


On 10 August 2004 (06:46 PM), erik said:

so umm well not too long ago i have bought an i think a ninja x-1 so can somebody tell me if this bike is illegal. becuase damn i bought it and i haven't rode it except once in a private area. im hella scared about riding them in the streets becuase i heard some people's pocket bikes are confiscated by cops when they get caught riding one on the street. my bike has everything as far as headlights, horn, signal lights, break lights. so can somebody tell me if this is illegal in the sidewalk. and plus i dont understand those people who rides mopeds. i mean damn how come cops dont pull them over it runs with a motor. well i dont know probably becuase they are more likely to be seen by people becuase they are standing up. so yeah can somebody explain to me if the one i have is street legal and can be used in the bicycle lane or sidewalk???


On 10 August 2004 (07:31 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Once again people this is no longer a forum for complaining, it has changed to a pocket help forum. Thanks to me. So please dont mess up my hard work and complain when nobody has said anything bad about them for about a month. For you Erik. It depends on where you live, they ARE illigal on sidewalks, bike lanes, main roads, highways, exc... Most places they are legal on residental roads and private neighborhoods. Just ask you local police. They would most likely give you a warning before they took your bike. And next time check with the local laws before buying something that my break those laws. As always thank you for your comments and questions. Have a nice day!


On 10 August 2004 (09:20 PM), Z. said:

Oh, here we go with guns again. How the heck do guns and pocket bikes even compare? (as in, "it's better to have a pocket bike than shoot guns all over the place"). What a non-sequitur! I suppose we might as well say "it's better to steal a X-box game from a store than to knock some old lady over the head, steal her money and then go out and buy drugs".

Comparison of pocket bikes and gardening tools don't wash either, as I'm probably not going to hit a hedge-trimmer with my car on the street.

As Pocket Rider said, it's been a while since there have been complaints about pocket bikes. Instead, Pocket Rider and I have been having a good discussion about our mutual concerns about the bikes, and discussing the circumstances on where and how certain ones should become street legal. We're also trying to HELP people so they don't end up buying the wrong thing for the wrong purpose.

We are also trying to give some advice to people who want to know some stuff. I think this is a good forum for people to ask questions and LEARN. Let's try and keep it that way.



On 10 August 2004 (09:52 PM), Z. said:

Erik, there's a very good reason why mopeds don't get ticketed and pulled over. They're legal motor vehicles. That license plate on them entitles them to a full lane and a piece of the road.

Mopeds meet federal and state safety standards, have all of the necessary equipment to make them street legal (headlight, brake light, turn signals, horn, height), and they also have VIN numbers, which the DMV will register.

A moped isn't a lark... you have to have an M2 driver's license, insurance, and it has to be registered every year. Mopeds can even get tickets for being parked on sidewalks sometimes! A meter maid who has a quota might want to lay down the "letter of the law" and enforce "no motor vehicles on the sidewalk".

The only things that pocket bikes and mopeds have in common is a motor and 2 wheels. I am sorry that you are afraid of riding your pocket bike on the street, being afraid of a ticket and confiscation. I think you had made a mistake in buying the wrong type of bike for the wrong purpose. If you had found this forum earlier, we would have advised you to check with your local police and DMV first. And if you really wanted to drive on the street, I would have advised you to skip the pocket bike and go for a moped, or a scooter, or a true motorcycle, so you won't be in doubt.


On 11 August 2004 (10:51 PM), erik said:

well alright this is whats going on. i talked to the california highway patrol, dmv, and the motorcycle safety department and they all told me that to ride a pocket bike, you need to have at least an m2 license or m2 permit, a helmet, and the pocket bike to be registered through dmv. however the sorry part is, that the motorcycle safety department said that dmv are only allowed to register pocket bikes that are 50cc and higher. the gay part is that i have a 49cc ninja x-1. damn! so yeah in order for it to be registered, i needed a title for the pocket bike, proof of insurance, and all those necessary information that needs in able to get the bike registered. other than that, the california highway patrol said it IS street legal but only with at least an m2 permit, helmet, and registered vehicle. so basically, they treat the pocket bikes just like real motorcycles and that mopeds are treated in a different definition. i asked the CHP officer and he went off about the difference in restrictions of the two. i dont remember what he said but i just know it was pretty gay. so yeah..thats that, and now im looking forward into having it sold. thanks for the advise and info though Pocket Rider and Z. im outie


On 12 August 2004 (01:14 AM), Pocket Rider said:

Well, first of all, sorry but pocket bikes are illigal in California. That is why they have those laws, you have to tag it and insure it, but you cant do that unless it is above 50cc. They screw you. Sorry bout your luck, but that is how they decided to go about banning them. Just like, you can sell weed legally if you have a license to do it, but if you try to buy one you get arressted, its just something they are allowed to do, so they do it. Wish you could of had a chance to really ride it, cause they are alot of fun if they cops are cool with them. Once again Im sorry and eveyone have a nice day!


On 12 August 2004 (10:35 AM), kool-azz rider said:

pocket bikez ar teh bomb
by kool-azz rider

don't be hatin' on my pocket bike
so what if I'm sittin' lower than a baby on a trike
i like ridin' em cuz they are fun
if you don't like it, tell it to my gun

i rode it on the sidewalk teh other day
i yelled at some old dude "get outta teh way"
he looked at me like i did something wrong
but I know my rights - so he'd better move along

i gotta be cool an pocket bikes are teh shit
so move your suv cuz I don't wanna get hit
if you try to run me over im tellin my mama
an' she yells louder than my 15 inch brahma

all you haters are just really ghey
if you don't like the noiz then go away
all my friends havem an we don't care
so try an stop me if you dare

teh end


On 12 August 2004 (12:03 PM), pj said:

I dont understand what everyones fuss is about. I ride dirtbikes, crotch rockets, and i also have a 50cc 2 stroke pocketbike.If i want to go out and ride it in the street im not risking anyone elses life, im only goin to injure myself. If i get hit by an automobile the driver is not going to get injured. It all depends on what kind of thrill you like. And unless you have rode one, than you cant talk about how wrong they are.


On 12 August 2004 (01:36 PM), Pocket Pool Player said:

Not exactly correct pj. I've not taken to buggering 12 year old boys, but I can still talk about how wrong it is. And as for the assertion that the driver of the automobile isn't going to be hurt, I can tell you that although I disagree with riding a pocket bike on the street, I'd still feel very badly and be emotionally scarred if I ran over you while you weren't hurting anyone but yourself.


On 12 August 2004 (04:20 PM), jackie said:

Does anyone know of any tracks in southern california that allow the pocket bikes. My boyfriend and I bought 2 so we could have fun with them but that was before we got 2 tickets from the cops and learned that they were illegal. Thankfully we only got tickets and they didn't take them from us. We are still looking for a legal place to ride them without risking them. It really sucks that the pocket bikes are illegal and go-peds are not. go-peds can go just as fast if modified and they are also noisy and not registered. CHP said they only need to have a helmet and follow the road rules in under 25 MPH areas. It's rediculous to say one is okay and not the other. the only difference is the shape of the vehicle. It looks like a little motorcycle and therefore police don't want to catergorize it as a scooter otherwise they would have to have the same laws. Well a power wheels is a motorized little car but there's no problem with that cuz it goes slower! Well then where's the law that tells me how fast something has to go to before it isn't a toy anymore & is considered illegal?


On 12 August 2004 (04:38 PM), jackie said:

One more thing to add....For those of you complaining it's obvious you don't own pocket bikes cuz if you did you wouldn't be complaining! They are awesome and safe, it's the bad california drivers that I have to worry about. At least you can hear them coming like a mile away just so that they are a little safer to ride. For drivers who are worried about hitting them, I'm sure you would feel bad if you hit any kid on any type of transportaion (bike, scooter, skateboard, etc.) Those don't even make any noise so you'll never know they're there and if you're not paying attention you could hit anyone, that's why I agree that you should have a driver's license cuz licensed drivers know to watch out for cars!!! And for those of you complaing about the noise don't seem to get it! If you let riders ride them on the streets in the bike lanes with helmets they wouldn't run them up and down your neighborhood, they would only be loud for a second as we pass you by on the street just like a Harley Davidson does now!


On 12 August 2004 (04:44 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Ok, ONCE AND FOR ALL, this is not a place to leave dumb ass remarks or comments about pocket bikes, and yes that includes songs of any sort.
That was lame, and by the way they are illigal on sidewalks. Oh thats right, you know your rights, oops forgot. I hope anyone you yell at, Kicks the living shit out of you, then trashes your bike. Peopl like you are the reason they get banned, and people like me are the reason they are still even around. So if I were you, and if you still wanted to ride your bike, and do whatever you wanted on it. Stop acting 11 and let the grown ups handle this one.



On 12 August 2004 (07:18 PM), kool-azz rider said:

Geez, why'd ya have to be so mean? I was just playin' man. Please don't ban me from this here Pocket Bike Forum.

Pocket Rider-

Just because some of us have not posted any comments lately does not mean we don't read what's going on.

The fact that your recent comments have been civil and educational is admirable. JD hasn't turned off comments or banned any IP's, so he must not be too upset that you have turned this weblog entry into a Pocket Bike Forum.

But, that doesn't change the fact that most of these Pocket Bikes are operated illegally and in a matter that is a nuisance to other citizens. My little bit of lame poetry was simply a parady of what I (and many others) see as the typical Pocket Bike Rider (based on many of the posts here).

Don't get too cocky and start trying to dictate who can and can't post here. If I want to post more lame poetry, I will; and if I want resume the complaining about pocket bikes, I will.

You may have turned this entry into a forum for pocket bikes, but that doesn't change the fact that foldedspace is a weblog that is all about freedom of speech.


On 12 August 2004 (07:25 PM), Z. said:

I'm with you, Pocket Rider. All of a sudden, what's all this "people who dis pocket bikes are gay" crap that we're seeing? How to these people think that "gay" and "hating pocket bikes" have to anything do with each other anyways?

You're right... people w/ pocket bikes and a jr. high school mentality are part of the problem. Flipping off people and turning up a snotty 'tude isn't gonna make the bikes LEGAL. It'll just piss off more VOTING-AGE adults and get them to push the police for more banning, more enforcement, more citations and bike confiscations.

Instead, if more pocket bike riders were more like you... like talking some sense and reason, and acting like responsible people, then I'm sure that more people would be willing to work things out. Act reasonable, and amazingly, a lot of other people (even if they don't agree with you) will act reasonable in return.

Originally, I took a look at this forum to see what the controversy was about. I saw some good arguments and stupid-ass ones, both pro and con. I think it's stupid as hell for a pb-hater to imply that picking off bike rider with a gun would be a fun thing to do. Pb-riders don't deserve to be shot at for sport.

It's just as stupid for a juvenile pb-rider to claim "rights" and imply that they have a gun to enforce their supposed "right" to ride it. Pb-riders stamping their lil' feet, acting like brats and throwing a tantrum doesn't get any respect either. It just makes grown-ups associate pocket bikes with jerks and snotty kids, which isn't fair to respectable adult pb-riders.

Road rights aren't free... they come with a hefty responsibility. Seems that some people missed the point.


On 12 August 2004 (07:36 PM), Z. said:

Just a thought...

With Erik and Jackie's situations, shouldn't pocketbike dealers be REQUIRED to do all the research upfront about local laws, and hand out that information to buyers and prospective buyers? It must really suck for people to hand over cash for a pocketbike, thinking that they can "have fun" and getting the (wrong) impression that they can go to the store or a friend's house on their bike but end up getting ticketed by cops. It must ALSO really suck to find their several-hundred dollar toy hauled off by a tow truck.

Unless the pocket bike dealers are jackass money-grubberss (hey, we just SELL you the bike. After that, your problem), shouldn't they be doing a real service for their customers?

As I said, people seem to get caught up with "wrong bike/wrong purpose". A simple thing, making up a flyer and putting it in the shop, could have saved a lot of people the grief. It s seems that people just don't KNOW what they can and can't do with the bikes and sometimes, parents get lulled into "Oh, that looks so cute, I'll buy one for Junior" without knowing the local laws, so it's hard to expect Junior with his birthday money to know more than those parents.


On 12 August 2004 (07:59 PM), Z. said:

Jackie,

I didn't even know "Power Wheels" were until I looked them up! You mean the little Fisher-Price car for toddlers?

No child is going to take a Power Wheel on the street. They'd be doing circles in the back yard, or in the garage, or in Mommy and Daddy's driveway, (under supervision) but that's about all. Some pocket bikes are seriously underpowered (the ads boast: GOES up to 14 mph!!!) and obviously, those don't belong on the street, just like Power Wheels will never be on the street.

Other pocket bikes can go much, much faster, but that's the rub... they're neither/nor. They're not toys and they're not truly legal motor vehicles. If they're underpowered, they can't go fast enough to avoid a dangerous traffic situation. If they're powerful 49cc bikes, then they have too much power to hand out to unlicensed drivers. Most of them don't have enough safety equipment and they're too small for, say a bus to see. So, a pb is either too little or too much, depending on the type.

And the amount of noise is not a safety feature. people might have their car windows up and have their radios on loud. They won't hear the buzz of a pb, so don't depend on just the noise to alert people that a pb is on the road.

Jackie, I'd suggest that you do what Erik is gonna do... if you seriously wanted to ride on the street, sell the pb and get something else that has a license plate. Then you will have real road rights, and no one can hassle you over your new bike. That way, instead of wishing that things (laws about pb's) were different, you can just go out and RIDE!


On 12 August 2004 (11:36 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Kool Rider, Ill tell ya what. Post anything that you wish to post, but I can promise you if it is something that I dont belive to have a meaning and makes sense, I will make you look stupid. I dont like to do that but I have done it to several people on here, and they no longer post. So it is up to you what you type you have that right, but it is up to me to choose to either like it, agree, disagree, or hate it completly and make you wish you never posted it. If you dont think that I am (a) smart enough (b) have the balls to or (c) will think twice about showing your stupidity, im sorry but you are sadly mistaken. You can try me if you wish.


On 12 August 2004 (11:40 PM), Pocket Rider said:

For everyone else, if they are not legal where you live then there is no advise that I can give you but to agree with Z and sell it. They do make ones that are over 50cc and can be taged, insured, yada yada yada, but I would check with the DMV and local laws before I bought one. If anyone else has any problems with their bike than let me know, Im sure I can help you out, and if I dont know, Ill find out for you. People im not mean, an ass, or anything of the sort. I just worked too hard for too long to get this forum where it is, and I will not sacrafice someones comments and fuck it all up. Im really a nice guy, if you come to me with real questions and concerns. As always Have a nice day!


On 13 August 2004 (12:03 AM), Pocket Rider said:

Come to my new forum where we will start new again, the address is: http://www.voy.com/183299/


On 13 August 2004 (07:17 AM), kool-azz rider said:

Welcome to my sever about Pocket Bikes, sorry all messages have to be approved by me before they are posted. Hope this forum will be of some help to some people.

Ummm... you may want to work on not making yourself look stupid before you try to make me look stupid.

Hint: If you want to get more hits on search engines, you may want to change your phrasing a little - something like "Welcome to my Pocket Bike Forum".

Good luck with your forum - I really hope things go well for you. If you can educate a bunch of teenagers who have attitudes like my little poem, then you are to be commended.

If things go really well, you may want to consider using vBulletin as your server.


On 13 August 2004 (10:34 AM), Pocket Rider said:

Congrats! you caught me in a typo. I dont like vBulletin, and This is going to be a private forum, if I wanted it to be real public, id make it that way. It is not only teenagers that I have educated, if my memory serves me right, you thought you could ride them on sidewalks. Hmmmm.... well there I seemed to have educated you now. If you knew any better you would know that nothing with a motor is allowed on the sidewalk, and another law that may suprise you, regular bikes aren't even supposed to ride on them. Sidewalks are for people on their own feet, only. Not only that but it wasnt a poem, the way you worded it and the groups you have it in does not classify as a poem, nice try though. Oh and as far as typos and spelling goes, I just LOVE all the words in your so called poem. You have to be what, like 13, because I dont know any 18+ year olds that still use Kool. But hey im sure your a smart guy, you may be able to figure out how to spell, and youll get older,and if your really lucky, maybe, just maybe one of these days you might know what the hell you are talking about, and leave an intell. message.


On 13 August 2004 (11:01 AM), kool-azz rider said:
parody

1. A writing in which the language or sentiment of an author is mimicked.

I thought you had figured out by now that my little poem (song?) was meant as a satirical parody.

Satire

1. A composition, generally poetical, holding up vice or folly to reprobation; a keen or severe exposure of what in public or private morals deserves rebuke.

2. Keeness and severity of remark; caustic exposure to reprobation; trenchant wit; sarcasm.


On 13 August 2004 (11:28 AM), pj said:

If everyone would take a look around, its usaully not high school kids riding pocketbikes. It is the VOTING-AGE adults. So dont imply that everyone riding them are kids who are just out to cause trouble.


On 13 August 2004 (11:43 AM), PJ said:

hey there pocket pool player, why dont you go play wiht yourself some more. Its not 12 year olds riding pocketbikes its the adults, so dont say that everyone riding one is a child. And for the bit about you being emotionaly scarred, get a life man. What the hell, why would you be scarred, it was the fault of the pb driver not yours. ITs all the choice of whos driving the pocketbike, to decide if they want to go and play in traffic.And if you would become scarred maybe you shouldnt be driving, you could hit a car and kill that person just as quickly. You people make it sound like pocketbikes are invading the city streets and you cant miss them. You have more of a chance of getting in a car accident and killing that person, than you do of ever hitting and killing a pocketbike driver.


On 13 August 2004 (11:46 AM), pj said:

On 29 July 2004 (02:07 PM), pj said:

Pocket bikes have a new official name: "Trailer trash bitch bikes". This moniker is more representative of the demographic that rides them.

OK, i definately didnt post that so whoever is acting like a fucking juvenile fag, your not cool.


On 13 August 2004 (02:29 PM), civicsport1 said:

Hey I have been gone for awhile from here and now trying to read up. first I would like to say thanks to pocket rider for your comments on this.
I really don't see why this is such a heated topic. I am heated that the fact that the government is enchroching on our rights one small one at a time. I also wanted to clear up what I said about the politicians and them needing to remember that they were a child once. I did not mean that they should make laws based on a childs perspective. they should just remember that they probably were not perfect and did some stupid things growning up and now look at them. it did not seem to effect them. Just let me decide whats good for me and set some ground rules so I don't hurt others in the process. I receintly attended a motorcycle gathering in the area I live and there are always a few pocket bikes that show up. Needless to say that when you have about 2-300 bikes in one parking lot, the cops are bound to show up. well I stoped one the other day and asked him about what he thought about pocket bikes and he said that he did not care if you ride as long as you are not cuasing a hazard to other drivers, meanign zipping out into traffic and you are staying to lower speed limit streets ie. (residential with 25 mph limit) and you have the proper safety equipment. he also added some sarcasm. " that if some one wants to ride their bike out into a busy street and get crushed by a car, I will be happy scrape up your carcase off the road" well you know what. he hit my feelign on the head. I do not feel that the person driving the car should have to go through the trauma of hiting and possibly killing someone but really if the pocket bike rider does try to battle with suvs and other cars then really they kinda deserve what happens. I own a ninja, and I abide by the laws of the state to ride safely, I also own a waverunner and I have taken the proper boaters safty courses and I try to abide by them as well, they should also make rules for these but not just come flat out and say they are illegal and thats, that. like people have said its not like smoking where studies have shown there are heath hazards with that, there has been no research on this and nor shoudl there be. its just a hobbie, please have fun. I enjoy racing my neighbor but I am the older rider of the group. and I get on teh kids cases when they buzz through a stop sign or zigzag across the street. I keep telling them that they should ride like they were diving a car. stop at the stop signs ride on the right side of the road and yeld to ALL cars. I do the same on the water. I know I am on a waverunner and i can outrun most other boats but I stll keep in mind that there are rules and I am on a much smaller craft and in a head to head collison I am going to be the looser. so everyone on a pocket bik should know the rules of the road, maybe have to take a safty course for younger children and give them a certificate for passing the course and place an age limit. I was talking to my neighbors father abtou the way his son rides and how well he does. We looked at one aspect to younger then riving age kids riding these things, they will grow up to be much better motorcycel riders, unlike me who never rode a bike before and my first one I got two years ago and smashed it up twice already. I had to learn the hard way that grabbing front break in the rain is not a good thing, as well as look, lean turn and never look down or you will go down. two mistakes I tought my neighbor and I hope that it will save his life when he starts riding for real.
thanks for reading


On 13 August 2004 (10:25 PM), Pocket Rider said:

For one, Kool Riker, be gone, it seems im not the only one that doesnt like you or your comments. Also Kool, make up your mind first it poetry, then i tell you its not so your calling it satirical parody, hmmmm just seems like when it comes down to it you have no idea what you are saying. And maybe if i knew you longer than i would have known that, but posting it as a first comment, come on. Nobodys going to know that you were kidding, There are sooo many dumb ass people with dumb ass comments,its not funny. So if you want to post an actual comment and be a little serious, go ahead, ill commend that. And for two, Thank You Civic, I wondered where you went. The forum has sorta changed since you got on. I agree with you I dont know why the topic is so heated, because in all actuality it isnt that big of a deal. Also about the rules, your right on that. Everyone should have to drive it like it was a car. That insures that each ride is safer and that you are less likly to get introuble. LOL, about the front brake thing, watch out those can be real trouble. Well thanks for posting everyone. Have a nice day!


On 14 August 2004 (04:11 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Visit the new Forum at www.voy.com/183299 leave what ever you wish.


On 17 August 2004 (07:27 PM), Aaron said:

I live in Eden Ny york 14057 i was thinking of buying a pocket bik do uknowif i am able to ride the roads.


On 17 August 2004 (07:29 PM), Aaron said:

I live in Eden Ny york 14057 i was thinking of buying a pocket bik do uknowif i am able to ride the roads.


On 17 August 2004 (07:29 PM), Aaron said:

I live in Eden Ny york 14057 i was thinking of buying a pocket bik do uknowif i am able to ride the roads.


On 17 August 2004 (10:13 PM), Pocket Rider said:

Ask your local law department.


On 19 August 2004 (10:24 PM), Nam said:

Pocket bikes are one of the funnest things to ride and cruise on. They are safe if you know how to drive it so kids under 15 shouldn't drive it. Drivers should have a helmet and everything will be okay. Most pocket bikes are under 50cc and under california law motors under 50cc do not need to be registered but has to have headlights, brakelights, signallights. I heard california is going to ban all pocketbikes. I think they just dont wanna see people have fun. and about the noise; noise is going to be everywhere. There are many more things than pocketbikes that will make noise as loud as that. To the pocket bike haters BACK THE HELL UP. we're just trying to have fun, not cause trouble.


On 20 August 2004 (09:55 AM), Z. said:

No, no, no, no! I'm sorry to say that your information is quite outdated! California law says nothing about "bikes with motors under 50cc do not have to be registered".

If you have no intention of riding your pocket bike on public streets, then registration is irrelevant. Go ahead, buy the bike and take it to a pocket bike track and have a good time. If you happen to have a large property, or own a parking lot, or a warehouse, then you can do whatever you like with the pocket bike on that property.

California Law specifically forbids using pocket bikes on the street, period. Cities may enforce the law as strictly as they wish to, and it is possible that some towns might turn a blind eye on riding the bikes on the street. But don't take it for granted that "Hey! This bike is under 50cc. I don't need to register it and I can ride it up and down the block, no problem" because you wouldn't have a leg to stand on, and you could have trouble with the cops for making that wrong assumption.

It doesn't get any clearer than this:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/pocketbikes.htm

Read up, be informed and know the facts.

And don't think that California banned them just to take away people's fun. It's public safety, and because California is such a car culture, it just isn't safe for those bikes to be on the streets with cars, buses, trucks and SUVs.

I'm not dissing your bikes, I'm just telling you the facts. Like I said in an earlier post, I don't understand why the pocket bike dealers don't give people the right information in the first place!

Be safe, and be smart. Buy the right kind of bike for your purpose.


On 24 August 2004 (02:33 PM), Kyle said:

I,m 16 and i live in jersey i can't get my license till im 18. what do want me to do ask my parents to drive me every were. . . I don't think so.i have a summer job and i am realy thinking about buying one. I give u that they are noisy and acident prone but they are no more dangerous than an real motorcycle. I am for them as long your responsible you know speed limit type of stuff. I know every one wanted something realy bad when they are or were young and this is just another generation.


On 26 August 2004 (03:43 PM), Paul Schoolfield said:

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On 27 August 2004 (10:41 AM), Z. said:

Kyle,

According to your NJ DMV, it says that you can get a motorcycle license at age 17. Where did you get the idea that you had to be 18?

Nobody said that they expected your parents to drive you everywhere, so how did that ever come up?

It would be irresponsible for us to say "Go for it. Drive it around to go from Point A to Point B without a license". Not to be a party pooper, but I think you need to make some calls to your local police and DMV and find out if you can legally buy a pb and drive it around without a license. If they say that it is allowed, then go ahead, buy it and drive it responsibly, like you said.

But if they tell you that you need a license and registration, insurance, etc. then you're out of luck for at least another year. If you don't have a motorized alternative, then you can get around on a regular bicycle or a bus, just like every other 16 year old did before pocket bikes made it big.


On 28 August 2004 (05:13 PM), Steve said:

I think Pocket Bikes are great. Like come on loosen up a little. Who cares if there loud because there just as loud as all that other gas powered equipment out there. I think Pocket Bikes should have the same laws a bicycle has. A helmet to be mandatory I could go with that. But come on what the ____ to all those people out there that disagree with pocket bikes. I believe they should be ridden on the sidewalk but to be considerate the riders should slow down to less than 5 mpH when passing a pedestrian. I can understand how there dangerous on the roads because your head is as high as a cars bumper. I'm just going to say one thing: Times have changed and the toys are more advanced these days and as a 13 year old I think I speak for most I'm going to be purchasing a pocket bike in a short while and if some bored cop decides to confiscate it from me I'm going to be really angry.


On 28 August 2004 (05:15 PM), Steve (again) said:

One more thing I forgot to add. Pocket Bikes are a great source or transportation for teenagers like me. I would be able to get to my place of work faster than ever.


On 28 August 2004 (06:07 PM), Z. said:

Ride them on the sidewalk??? You're joshing us! NO WAY! In a city, there's way too many pedestrians around, and the sidewalks are packed with people going in both directions. Some are so packed that pedestrians can't move around each other, so how the heck is a pb supposed to move around safely? I think that people (old ladies included) are entitled to walk on a sidewalk without worrying about some skateboard, bicycle or pb hitting them while they're shopping or walking home. How fast can YOU brake? Not fast enough, dude.

It doesn't matter how angry you'd be if you buy a pocket bike, drive it illegally (on sidewalks, or on city streets, whatever) and get it confiscated by the cops. Being angry isn't going to make them legal. And being a 13 year old who sees a cool new toy and wants it does not give you rights to the road, that's why we keep telling people to check with their local laws FIRST before buying the bike. Bicycle laws cannot apply to a pb because a bicycle does not have a motor and will not be zooming around town at speeds up to 52mph.

We don't like to see kids, or grownups getting in trouble and ending up being out a few hundred or thousand bucks if/when their bikes get confiscated because a) They misunderstood the DMV laws b) They didn't care about the law- they went ahead and broke it anyway because their "fun" was more important c) They bought the wrong bike for the wrong purpose... thought that a pb was like a moped and could use it for transportation.

I donn't want to be a jerk to you, but I really have to give you a reality check. It's better that you hear this stuff NOW instead of AFTER getting into trouble. Sometimes people gotta tell you what you don't want to hear, because it is in your best interests.

Peace.


On 29 August 2004 (11:07 AM), Steve P said:

Hey Z,

I forgot to tell you that I live in a small town and I come across a pedestrian every 5 10 minutes.


On 29 August 2004 (11:08 AM), Steve P said:

Hey Z,

I forgot to tell you that I live in a small town of only 20,000 people and I come across a pedestrian every 5 10 minutes.


On 29 August 2004 (11:18 AM), Robert A said:

-Pocket Rider

Eat shit, give people a break if they wanna ride [pocket bikes then let em. You dont always have to be fucking snob. Don't make fun of kool-azz-rider hes the best. Fucko.


On 29 August 2004 (09:37 PM), Z. said:

Hey Steve,
Thanks for clarifying. Even if your town is only 20,000 people, it is highly unlikely that you can drive any motorized vehicle on it, unless you are severely physically disabled, and you need a motorized wheelchair.

Have you talked to your folks about your ideas about a pb? Do they know that they have to pay any fines that you rack up? Do they know that they would be fully legally responsible for anything you do on it (presuming that a person your age can legally ride a pb on the street at all)? Your true legal status is "minor child", so of course the cops won't write a ticket out in your name, and no one will slap you with a lawsuit or a demand to fix the damage to their car, etc... your parents would have to pay it, and out-of-pocket too. Their car and homeowner's insurance won't cover what you do on a pb.

First steps:

1) Talk to your folks about your desire for a pb. They HAVE to agree to it. If not, you are SOL. You cannot go against your parent's wishes. They run the show and can veto any toys and stuff you want, even if you are spending your own money.

2) If they agree, have them call the police dept and the DMV to check on the local laws regarding unlicensed teen drivers on pb's on the streets or sidewalks. It is unlikely that what you want to do is legal, but you and your folks NEED to know.

I still don't understand where this idea of "ride them on the street" comes from. There has always been dirt bikes and go-carts and dirt buggies and mini-bikes. But, even back then, people didn't think anything with an engine and wheels belonged on city or town streets. PB's were designed for racing on paved tracks, not to drive on streets.

Just because they're small, does not mean that it is a handy way of circumventing road rules, such as age requirements and a LICENSE. A motorcycle is a motorcycle... subject to the same road rules as a car (and then some). I had to pass two different written tests to get my M1 license.

If a pb manufacturer happens to make a pb large enough, with all the safety equipment to make it street legal, I don't understand why they do not stamp a VIN number on it, so the owner can legally register it and drive it on the street, just like a true motorcycle. Otherwise without a VIN and a plate, most pb's are only good for the track.



On 30 August 2004 (08:22 AM), Steve P said:

Thanks Z,

besides my parent my not even let me have one because they know they are illegal. I might get one but I might not. And I live in Canada and maybe the laws are different but there probably the same. I might just wait until I get my M licence and buy a Suzuki Hayabusa GSX 1300 R


On 30 August 2004 (11:39 AM), Drunk Stepdad said:

What gets me is how they are sold as 'toys'. But they really are intended to be a track-only racing 'motorcycle'. They are illegal on the roads for the same reason that a go-kart, an atv, or a snowmobile. It's not made for the streets.


On 30 August 2004 (07:18 PM), Nick said:

OK Guys, Ive heard all the guff regarding noise. I have to boys 6 and 8 years old. I bought them each an electric pocket rocket. They don't ride them on the street and I still have neighbors screaming at my kids to get off their rockets.----Tough Luck---, these units have all the same rights to use the sidewalk as an electric wheelchair. Get over it, TOYS HAVE CHANGED!!! They have a top speed of about 20 mph, no more dangerous than their bikes and probably a lot less dangerous than their razor scooters. My kids race dirt bikes on the week end and believe me can maneuver these bikes like pros. Dangerous-No, Noisy-No, Good, Clean Fun-YES


On 30 August 2004 (07:18 PM), Nick said:

OK Guys, Ive heard all the guff regarding noise. I have to boys 6 and 8 years old. I bought them each an electric pocket rocket. They don't ride them on the street and I still have neighbors screaming at my kids to get off their rockets.----Tough Luck---, these units have all the same rights to use the sidewalk as an electric wheelchair. Get over it, TOYS HAVE CHANGED!!! They have a top speed of about 20 mph, no more dangerous than their bikes and probably a lot less dangerous than their razor scooters. My kids race dirt bikes on the week end and believe me can maneuver these bikes like pros. Dangerous-No, Noisy-No, Good, Clean Fun-YES


On 30 August 2004 (09:20 PM), Z. said:

Nick,

It's cool that you are supervising your kids when they ride their dirt bikes and their pocket bikes... that's what parenting is all about. Dirt bike riding is a great way that you can be with your kids and the whole family can have fun. I never had an objection to dirt bikes used for their intended purpose. If I had kids your age, I might share my love of small bikes with them and take them out to the trail, too. And when they're 16 and show themselves to be responsible, I'd help them get their license for their first street bike, too. Heck, I'd probably be riding right behind them, yelling out instructions and telling them how to drive safely!

I don't believe for one second that a pocket bike has the same rights to the sidewalk as an electric wheelchair! Elderly people (who are adults) are one thing, but kids on a "play" vehicle are not equal.

That's a "no way in hell" thing. I'd like to see some proof of that "entitlement". If you're lucky, your local police might turn a blind eye, but don't take it for granted that driving on the sidewalk is an entitlement.


On 31 August 2004 (01:02 AM), Drunk Stepdad said:

Wow Nick, you sound like a great dad, with that 'in your face' style of parenting. It seems like you'll give your kids whatever they want, and let them do whatever they want. Thanks for raising more punks that the rest of us have to deal with!

Although I will agree, if you're complaing about noise of the mini-motorcycles, you have too much time on your hand. It's the aholes that have car radios that shake your house from 3 blocks away that should be shot.

Of course, that's probally one of your kids in 10 years, isn't it?


On 03 September 2004 (11:38 PM), Steve said:

Hey Drunk Stepdad,
Even though I don't even know Nick why the fuck are you making fun of his kids? And why do you have a desire to kill people that like to listen to there music loud? Thats sick. Your probably just another one of those sick fuckos out there that find shooting people amusing and all that other sick shit. So I'd say don't comment on Nicks kids and stop being a mother fucking prick. Oh ya and the type of parent you sound like is the one that ignore there kids and there kids turn out to be just the same fucking lowlife you've become.


On 06 September 2004 (10:58 AM), playa said:

in virginia the legal age to ride the pocket rocket is 13


On 06 September 2004 (10:58 AM), playa said:

in virginia the legal age to ride the pocket rocket is 13


On 06 September 2004 (10:58 AM), playa said:

in virginia the legal age to ride the pocket rocket is 13


On 06 September 2004 (10:58 AM), playa said:

in virginia the legal age to ride the pocket rocket is 13


On 06 September 2004 (10:58 AM), playa said:

in virginia the legal age to ride the pocket rocket is 13


On 06 September 2004 (10:58 AM), playa said:

in virginia the legal age to ride the pocket rocket is 13


On 06 September 2004 (10:58 AM), playa said:

in virginia the legal age to ride the pocket rocket is 13


On 06 September 2004 (10:58 AM), playa said:

in virginia the legal age to ride the pocket rocket is 13


On 06 September 2004 (10:58 AM), playa said:

in virginia the legal age to ride the pocket rocket is 13


On 06 September 2004 (10:58 AM), playa said:

in virginia the legal age to ride the pocket rocket is 13


On 06 September 2004 (10:58 AM), playa said:

in virginia the legal age to ride the pocket rocket is 13


On 06 September 2004 (11:03 AM), john hamphery said:

the legal age to ride a pocket rocket in the Richmond part of Virginia is 13 years of age.im not sure about california but i heard it is 16


On 06 September 2004 (11:03 AM), john hamphery said:

the legal age to ride a pocket rocket in the Richmond part of Virginia is 13 years of age.im not sure about california but i heard it is 16


On 06 September 2004 (11:03 AM), john hamphery said:

the legal age to ride a pocket rocket in the Richmond part of Virginia is 13 years of age.im not sure about california but i heard it is 16


On 06 September 2004 (11:03 AM), john hamphery said:

the legal age to ride a pocket rocket in the Richmond part of Virginia is 13 years of age.im not sure about california but i heard it is 16


On 06 September 2004 (11:03 AM), john hamphery said:

the legal age to ride a pocket rocket in the Richmond part of Virginia is 13 years of age.im not sure about california but i heard it is 16


On 06 September 2004 (11:03 AM), john hamphery said:

the legal age to ride a pocket rocket in the Richmond part of Virginia is 13 years of age.im not sure about california but i heard it is 16


On 06 September 2004 (11:03 AM), john hamphery said:

the legal age to ride a pocket rocket in the Richmond part of Virginia is 13 years of age.im not sure about california but i heard it is 16


On 06 September 2004 (11:03 AM), john hamphery said:

the legal age to ride a pocket rocket in the Richmond part of Virginia is 13 years of age.im not sure about california but i heard it is 16


On 08 September 2004 (02:16 PM), mookie said:

That's pretty cool.


On 08 September 2004 (02:16 PM), mookie said:

That's pretty cool.


On 08 September 2004 (02:16 PM), mookie said:

That's pretty cool.


On 09 September 2004 (01:30 PM), pocket rocket boy said:

FUCK ALL OF YOU FUCK POCKETBIKE HATERS!!! IF I MET ONE OF YOU'S ID SHOVE ONE OF MY SUPERBIKES UP UR ASS!!


On 29 September 2004 (01:05 AM), lil guy makin all that big noise said:

I'VE GOT A SOLUTION .... STOP HANDING OUT DRIVERS LICENSES LIKE TOILET PAPER !!! MAYBE IF THE DMV WOULD STOP ACTING LIKE A BUSINESS AND BECOME A SERVICE EVERYONE WOULD LEARN TO DRIVE BETTER. THE U.S. IS THE ONLY COUNTRY TO HAND OUT DRIVERS LICENSE AND FOOD STAMPS LIKE ITS TOILET PAPER, YOU SHOULD HAVE TO "EARN" A LICENSE FOR ANY VEHICLE WHETHER IT BE A FERRARI OR A RAZOR SCOOTER!!! OLD PEOPLE NEED TO GET SCHEDULED TO RETAKE D.L.'S BECAUSE MOST OF EM GET EZILY CONFUSED WHY !>? WELL BECAUSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE 50'S .... ASIAN PEOPLE & HINDU PEOPLE ... I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO GO THERE !!! THEY JUST CANNOT DRIVE ....

BACK TO THE SUBJECT OF POCKET BIKES ... LAY OFF PEOPLE .... JUST WAVE AND SMILE ... SAY A LIL PRAYER THAT WE DONT DIE AND GO BACK TO LIVING UR LIFE ..... WHY MUST YOU MAKE IT SUCH A BIG DEAL ... EVERYTHING IS SUCH AN INCONVENIENCE TO EVERYONE THESE DAYS .... I AGREE IF SOME JACKASS RIDES AROUND AT NITE YEA BEAT HIM WITH A SHOE ... BUT DONT STARE ME DOWN WHEN I'M RIDING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD I GREW UP IN FOR 20 YRS DURING THE AFTERNOON WHEN NORMAL PEOPLE ARE WORKING.


On 29 September 2004 (01:05 AM), lil guy makin all that big noise said:

I'VE GOT A SOLUTION .... STOP HANDING OUT DRIVERS LICENSES LIKE TOILET PAPER !!! MAYBE IF THE DMV WOULD STOP ACTING LIKE A BUSINESS AND BECOME A SERVICE EVERYONE WOULD LEARN TO DRIVE BETTER. THE U.S. IS THE ONLY COUNTRY TO HAND OUT DRIVERS LICENSE AND FOOD STAMPS LIKE ITS TOILET PAPER, YOU SHOULD HAVE TO "EARN" A LICENSE FOR ANY VEHICLE WHETHER IT BE A FERRARI OR A RAZOR SCOOTER!!! OLD PEOPLE NEED TO GET SCHEDULED TO RETAKE D.L.'S BECAUSE MOST OF EM GET EZILY CONFUSED WHY !>? WELL BECAUSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE 50'S .... ASIAN PEOPLE & HINDU PEOPLE ... I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO GO THERE !!! THEY JUST CANNOT DRIVE ....

BACK TO THE SUBJECT OF POCKET BIKES ... LAY OFF PEOPLE .... JUST WAVE AND SMILE ... SAY A LIL PRAYER THAT WE DONT DIE AND GO BACK TO LIVING UR LIFE ..... WHY MUST YOU MAKE IT SUCH A BIG DEAL ... EVERYTHING IS SUCH AN INCONVENIENCE TO EVERYONE THESE DAYS .... I AGREE IF SOME JACKASS RIDES AROUND AT NITE YEA BEAT HIM WITH A SHOE ... BUT DONT STARE ME DOWN WHEN I'M RIDING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD I GREW UP IN FOR 20 YRS DURING THE AFTERNOON WHEN NORMAL PEOPLE ARE WORKING.


On 28 October 2004 (03:00 PM), oo said:

i dont even see haw anyone can ride a pocket bike by the ages of 14 and up..i meaan how do you bend dowwn to even ride them????


On 04 November 2004 (09:41 AM), Jeremiah said:

This pocket bike frenzy is stupid I have gotten a driving on a suspended lisence for driving one of those little stupid bikes down a abandoned road. apparently you have to have a legal lisence to operate one.


On 17 November 2004 (12:17 AM), Chaz from Oregon City said:

Fuck all of you who hate pocket bikes. It is fucking stuped, I have a super bike and it is very quite and a gas scooter and it is the same way. I can see how it is a little unsafe if some one is riding like a fucking dum ass. but there is no harm if some kids wanna have some fun on the pocket bikes. A lot of my friends have pocket bikes and scooters and mini choppers and no one bitchs about us ridong them, we are out till 8:00pm and no one minds it as long as we dont ride by peoples houses like 4 to 5 times so all of you fucking pocket bike haters, get a fucking life and bitch about something else. And you only have to be 16 to ride pocket bikes and scooters in Oregon.


On 17 November 2004 (07:42 AM), Kool-Azz Rider said:
Fuck all of you who hate pocket bikes. It is fucking stuped, I have a super bike and it is very quite and a gas scooter and it is the same way. I can see how it is a little unsafe if some one is riding like a fucking dum ass. but there is no harm if some kids wanna have some fun on the pocket bikes. A lot of my friends have pocket bikes and scooters and mini choppers and no one bitchs about us ridong them, we are out till 8:00pm and no one minds it as long as we dont ride by peoples houses like 4 to 5 times so all of you fucking pocket bike haters, get a fucking life and bitch about something else. And you only have to be 16 to ride pocket bikes and scooters in Oregon.

You see this people? This is what happens when you cut school budgets down to nothing. Way to go Oregon!


On 22 November 2004 (06:17 PM), nate said:

all u haters about pockets need to shut the fuck up . please


On 22 November 2004 (06:17 PM), nate said:

all u haters about pockets need to shut the fuck up . please


On 22 November 2004 (06:17 PM), nate said:

all u haters about pockets need to shut the fuck up . please


On 04 December 2004 (10:33 AM), mat said:

i understand your points of veiw about the pocket bikes, however it occurs to me that kids, (and some adults) are just trying to have some fun.


On 07 December 2004 (03:23 AM), Chaz From Oregon City said:

fuck you Kool-Azz Rider. All Im trying to say is we all wanna have some fun on pocket bikes and scooters. Thats it so back the fuck off all of you.


On 08 December 2004 (12:48 PM), Dwayne said:

you people have got to be kidding we are talking about a toy here? Just because half of you are so damn old that you didnt have shit like that when you were young, dont ruin it for kids of this day and age. What the hell is so damn wrong with someone that knows the danger of pocket bikes and still chooses to ride one. you risk you life every time you step in a car what are we going to ban those too?? Just Because some of us want to live a little, dont hate us for that. Im sorry that we want a little something to look forward to or to live for. AND TO ALL YOU PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST GOING TO WORK COMING HOME AND BASICALLY JUST TAKING UP SPACE,,,,WHAT ARE YOU LIVING FOR.GET A HOBBY OR SOMETHING, DAMN, YOUR BASICALLY JUST LIVING TO DIE IF THATS THE CASE WHY DONT YOU JUST
KILL YOURSELF.STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT STUPID SHIT AND GET A LIFE. YOU OLD NAGGING, COMPLAINING,ROTTEN PRUNES FUCKIN SICKEN ME...........


On 08 December 2004 (01:15 PM), Dwayne said:

Just so you know, that comment i posted prior to this one wasnt directed at old people in general it was for those that eat, sleep, shit and complain about everything that doesnt benefit them. those grumpy old (or i should say older) people that are just mad at the world. so if that is not you please do not be offended by my comment,
but if that is you.......TAKE MY ADVICE.


On 08 December 2004 (06:12 PM), i boy that have one said:

i c what all u are saying i have two and i also race them on the gp pocket bikes are very fun and unsaft but everything is insaft walking down the street is unsaft so we have to take a chanc we all are going to die one day so fuck it


On 09 December 2004 (12:29 PM), you know you wannnnnnt it.... said:

society as a whole will always be fearful and critical of the something new or unknown. give it some time, the novelty will wear off. the law will lighten up, people will relax, and pretty soon it'll be just like a motorized scooter, they'll hear it coming, look up at it, shrug their shoulders, and move along. that's it.
but to all you other pocket riders, just play it safe so you don't end up getting your bike confiscated. ride safely in safe and designated or private areas. ask your neighbors if they mind. be respectful of others. exercise a bit of tolerance and i'm sure we'll find a place for our bikes. I ride one, i'm 29, i'm a professional, highly educated, and just want to have fun,... but i still understand that there is a time and a place for everything. ripp down the sidewalk at 40 mph, cruising thru pedestrians? wrong. no helmet? wrong. but in a warehouse, backyard, race tracks, during the day, in a cul de sac?....no big deal. just play it safe, for you and everyone else. prety soon, no one will even raise and eyebrow...
that's all for now.

peace.


On 09 December 2004 (07:56 PM), me said:

i want one for christmas r they fun and does anyone know if the r legal in ga


On 23 December 2004 (02:18 PM), Jakar Stephens said:

how does a pocket bike work


On 23 December 2004 (08:54 PM), Adam said:

my pocket bike i off the chain


On 23 December 2004 (09:06 PM), Adam said:

All yall haters need to grow up and live a little. And let the kids have fun and enjoy there child life even the adults.

As a matter of fact everybody needs to have fun because you onley get to live for so long.



On 24 December 2004 (08:05 AM), Chaz from Oregon City said:

Live each day like its your last. So have fun


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On 27 December 2004 (02:55 PM), Fun said said:

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On 30 December 2004 (11:37 AM), Coery said:

Ok,all the people that say pocketbikes are annoying and dangerous,are gay.They're gay.Thats it.If you can't dodge a person on a sidewalk,GOING STRAIGHT, then you suck.I ride dirtbikes.If you're out at the desert ,Ocotillo, for example and you're going down Wolf Wells Road and HIT a bush on the side of the road you don't belong riding a dirtbike unless you're like 4 years old and are riding a 50.But the point is that Wolf wells Road is the most straight,longest(almost) road in Ocotillo.If you hit the bush on the side of the road you suck.You have 20 feet to go left and right.The sidewalk is the same thing.Just smaller.It is straight and there is nothing to run into except people.If they are in the way you either ride off the curb(which I have done) or tell them to get the hell out of the way.But when people hear you they usually get out of your way.What the should do is make you take a test at the dmv and if you pass you can get a pocketbike license.You should be able to be any age.And when I got my pocket bike I would go piss all the old people off and laugh at them in their face.Yeah!Down with stubbern people!Just to let all the gay people know that they do make pocket bikes with lights,horn,blinkers and mirrors.When I get my license I'm going to get a NSR 50 and put a YZ426F motor in it.It will go like 100.Thats 4000 times louder than a pocket bike.How do I know this I have one.119 decibles(FMF full titainium system)For all the gay people that think pocket bikes are annoying,you don't know what you're missing.Late


On 30 December 2004 (11:37 AM), Coery said:

Ok,all the people that say pocketbikes are annoying and dangerous,are gay.They're gay.Thats it.If you can't dodge a person on a sidewalk,GOING STRAIGHT, then you suck.I ride dirtbikes.If you're out at the desert ,Ocotillo, for example and you're going down Wolf Wells Road and HIT a bush on the side of the road you don't belong riding a dirtbike unless you're like 4 years old and are riding a 50.But the point is that Wolf wells Road is the most straight,longest(almost) road in Ocotillo.If you hit the bush on the side of the road you suck.You have 20 feet to go left and right.The sidewalk is the same thing.Just smaller.It is straight and there is nothing to run into except people.If they are in the way you either ride off the curb(which I have done) or tell them to get the hell out of the way.But when people hear you they usually get out of your way.What the should do is make you take a test at the dmv and if you pass you can get a pocketbike license.You should be able to be any age.And when I got my pocket bike I would go piss all the old people off and laugh at them in their face.Yeah!Down with stubbern people!Just to let all the gay people know that they do make pocket bikes with lights,horn,blinkers and mirrors.When I get my license I'm going to get a NSR 50 and put a YZ426F motor in it.It will go like 100.Thats 4000 times louder than a pocket bike.How do I know this I have one.119 decibles(FMF full titainium system)For all the gay people that think pocket bikes are annoying,you don't know what you're missing.Late


On 30 December 2004 (12:00 PM), BOOBS said:

People that think a 49.5 cc pocket bike goes fast then you are a frikin whimp.Yeah some guy Z in the middle of the page said tha he had a RX 50.it went like 53.Hay guess what dumbass your bike has 5 gears not 1.Who the hell wants to gear their pocket bike high.not some ten year old.Yeah maybe a 15 or 16 yearold.People you have to understand there are 14 year old kids that ride CR 500.If you don't know what a CR 500 is a real mans bike that will make you crap your pants.It is the biggest dirtbike out there.And there is going to be some dumbass that would say something if I didn't type this.For a 4 stroke to be able be equal with a 2 stroke it has to be Twice the size of a 2 stroke.CR 500(2 stroke) up against an XR1000.If you try to find a way to make me think IM wrong I'll have an answer to your question


On 01 January 2005 (11:38 AM), neighbor said:

Speaking of those mini bikes and pocket rocket bikes, this 9 yr old neighbor boy to me recently got what I think is a battery powered pocket bike for Christmas. Anyway, earlier today I saw him fighting with his 4 year old brother over the bike, cursing him out and so forth. Soon afterward, I saw the four year old flip the bird on each hand to his mother, then jump on the pocket rocket and ride off down the street, escaping his mother who tried in vain to catch him! And these are some of the kids who get those type of bikes! Makes a bad name for the responsible people are riders and fans of mini bikes.


On 14 January 2005 (09:36 PM), pocket bike owner said:

i am parcially going with neighbor on this one. i ride pocket bikes in races only. not down public streets. Riding them on streets is not what these bikes are made for. And little kids swearing and bigger kids also is just showing how bad parenting can effect the children of todays society. Now these pocket bikes are also not ment for children electric ones mabe but for kids 8 and over. Gas Powered pocket bikes are mostly for race purposes only, they are much to fast for sidewalks. and if there are no lights on the bike then the road is out of the question. Reading all of the bad things people are saying about how annoying they are and giving the riders a bad name, just angers me. The sport is a lot of fun and is usually organized. they have many performance upgrades just like a car only much cheaper. pocket bikes are much to fun to ban from any state and even if they are banned the kids will find more reason to ride them because it might get their adrenaline pumping and wut not. just think about it before you try and give us, pocket bike racers and sellers, a bad name. WE REALLY ARENT BAD PEOPLE well most of us anyway. as for those stupid little kids they need a spanking with a belt or sumthing because those parents are defanately not doing the right thing.. Thank you


On 14 January 2005 (09:46 PM), Pocket bike owner said:

oh and listen boobs you stupid idiot. its not the speed that matters. its the skill of the riders to do sixty around a tight turning track. I own a cr 500 and no i dont shit my pants everytime i see it. and when you are goin 60 on a pocket bike it feels like 80 in a car. when you are close enough to the ground you see it going by you much faster. Shut up you asshole until you have jumped on a highly tricked out pocket bike and try to race going sixty around a a tight turning track. Dirtbikes are fun and all but pocket bikes are fun too.


On 17 January 2005 (12:46 AM), Mr. Experience said:

Interesting comments here. As a two year veteran of electric and gas scooters and pocket bikes I can tell you that many states have now made it LEGAL for these vehicles to operate on some public roads and city sidewalks. For example, our great state of Texas passed a law that makes these vehicles legal to operate on any city street with a posted pseed limit of 35 mph or less, as well as city sidewalks. It requires riders under the age of 18 to wear protective head gear. Like anything else, these vehicles can be used and enjoyed properly or misused in a dangerous manner. It's up to the parents to teach kids about safety and to supervise them. Let's face it - most beer-chuggin, burger eating, cell phone slinging SUV drivers are MUCH more of a danger to other drivers. That's what should be banned!


On 19 January 2005 (12:55 PM), Kevin said:

If any motorcycle riders are looking to buy a pocket bike, you can check out Largepocketbikes.com. They are pretty descent and look like a trusted site.


On 20 January 2005 (09:23 AM), biker child said:

i think everything with a motor should be banned from all countries around the world if you think something like a pocket bike should be banned because of safety issues when the damn things were created for the "adult child" adults drink and drive everyday, cars with numbers on them go speeds 225 plus and you cheer them on kids on dirt bikes get praise for not falling down and now this little motorcycle is under attack because it looks like the big one but has a weed whacker engine on it?? come on now its not about safety on them its where can those who own them ride them. if you help to create a place for these bikes there will be less problems with these bikes. i personally have a place for me and the ppl who own them to go and it has helped the problem solving


On 25 January 2005 (08:05 PM), boobs said:

Ok mr Pocket bike owner.I have a shifter kart with a 125cc motor in it with six gears.It tops out at around 94mph.it sits approx 3/8 of an inch off the ground.It will beat the shit out of your cr 500 off the line so bad it wouldn't be funny.I also have a 426 thats tricked out to a bitch and the same with my Kx 125 with 40 horsepower.If you want to see my 125 go to google.on the web type....www.msnusers.com/125fortrade.If you want to talk about fast hop in a shifter kart 3/8 of an inch off the ground and take it up to 94 beeotch.It will beat the crap out of a tricked out pocket bike.


On 29 January 2005 (03:23 PM), sam said:

hay i live in england and work all the time with minimoto's we have grc motos witch can range from 1,500 pounds to about 3,000 pounds alot of money concidering the size of them. you think this but there amazing fun. the new world record for a minimot was set a couple of months ago by a man whom reached 78mph! amazing concidering the size! this was a grc moto cost around 3,000 again but these are the ultimate bikes of there class! nothing like these cheap ones on the market now. 300-400 pound ones tend to be slow and fall apart for starting on there great! you want to be fastest then buy GRC!!


On 07 February 2005 (03:23 PM), David said:

Ilove pocketpikes. I have 1so what waht are you going to do about it . so what if the make nosies
so what if their low
so what if their fast your not going to die. yes I have been stopped befor but if you are going to band them you sould at lest make a park where we can ride them with out getting in troupple .
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On 03 March 2005 (09:52 PM), Keith said:

I just got a pocketbike about 2 weeks ago and I havent got caught by the cops with it yet. I hope I dont because it is illegal and I also have an illegal blue neon kit for my pocket bike, so I would be in even bigger trouble. My friend just got pulled over today by the cops and he said he will have to go to court if he gets caught riding again and he just got his 2 weeks ago too and that was the first time a cop talked to him. I have had my motorized scooter for almost 3 years and have barley got bothered by anyone. I used to think it was loud because me and my dad bolted a 2.5 HP motor onto it. Once I got my pocketbike I realized it was really loud, but you're going so fast that people on the street hear it only a few seconds. Actually I get smiles from old people and people seem to like it, so really what is the big deal. Also the idea of making a track to legaly ride these on would be pretty cool. Anyway, whatever shit face made the law agains pocketbikes pisses me off. Anyone who calls the police because someone is riding a pocket bike is just a jealous bitch. (If anyone wants to know a good website for pocketbike neon, Its www.elwirecheap.com


On 05 March 2005 (01:04 PM), Steven said:

Those people that say that ALL pocket bike owners are imature are wrong. I am 14, I own a pocket bike, and drive it very carefully on the street. I don't think it should be illegal. Just have supervision over the younger children. Plus, the people that say that are to loud are just making up an excuse to ban pocket bikes on the street. It make the same noise as the people who mowe their lawns Sunday at 7am. If you think pocket bikes are to fast, your wrong. Most pocket bikes don't even go up to 35mph- the dealer or websites might say it goes faster, but that is just for them to sell their product.


On 03 April 2005 (03:24 AM), pocket bike lover said:

i think pocket bikes are mad and if u think they are 2 noisy u dont have 2 ban them put silencers on them. why the hell sould u haters care about our safety GET A LIFE!!!!!! let us have some fun i mean think about it silencere duh geez. lay off relax.


On 03 April 2005 (03:25 AM), pocket bike lover said:

i think pocket bikes are mad and if u think they are 2 noisy u dont have 2 ban them put silencers on them. why the hell sould u haters care about our safety GET A LIFE!!!!!! let us have some fun i mean, think about it, silencers duh, geez. lay off, relax.


On 03 April 2005 (07:14 PM), wizzer said:

I just got a pocket bike 2 weeks ago and the cops already caught me but they said that its cool and they got my back if any1 is bitchen off about the noise,..... lol Fuck u all who hate pocket bikes also.. im 13 and i dont got shit to do so i can just go ride my pocket bike and dirtbike when i want to.. U c what im tryin to say all u fuckin gay asses who dont like them?


On 03 April 2005 (07:19 PM), wizzer said:

I live in colorado and anything here under 49cc is legal to ride where ever the fuck u want to!!!!!!!!!!!So come move here if its so fuckin bad in cali
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOT IT?


On 06 April 2005 (05:11 PM), josh said:

WOW! why are you all so uppset about the pocket bikes they are not that loud. you dont get mad about loud cars with loud mufferlers and music coming past your house at sometimes midnite and even later but you get all pissed off about a little buzz go by during the day and the sound doesent even last long i promise you if you wer to ride one of these bikes you would want one TRUST ME the first time i rode one i absolutely loved it and allmost all my friends have them i personaly think that they should have to wher a helmet that is verry important. and wut is the deal with you guys thinking they go to fast on my foot pettaled bikes i can got up to speeds of 25 miles per hour that is all most as fast as a pocket bike. the poeple are allways complaning that we should go out side and that all we do is play games! now that we do find somthing fun that guys and even girls like and we use the bike out side now they say that we shouldent be out side rideing bikes so wut are we suposed to do out side if we illegalize these bikes and it is also a motivation tool you can use it to help your children dont do there work or if they dont listen to you and it also teaches you chiled reasponsibility it teaches them to save there money, DONT BYE THE BIKES FOR YOUR CHILDREN!if they want it they need to bye it there self. if you dont want your child going so fast than get a governer for the bike!!!!!!! my child is saving for a bike. he also loves these bikes. when do your children get the chance to ride a motor bike?? does you child want a bike when he or she gets old enought? then they need to no how to ride a motor bike so they can get to understand the controles and dangers of a bike like what it can and cant do. so i think that every one needs to calm down about the whole pocket bike thing. what is the piont of living without some fun. and please understand you only live once and you mite as well live it up.please just let your kids have a little fun before they are to old. thanks for reading thoughts about the pocket bike. SEE YALL! PEECE.


On 06 April 2005 (07:16 PM), J.D. said:

I've left this thread lie fallow for a long, long time, but I think a point of clarification is necessary. And I'll put it in bold for emphasis:

Nobody's really complaining just because pocket bikes are loud. No, that's not it at all. You're all right: some cars are loud, too. No, the real complaint is that pocket bikes are loud continuously as they putter up-and-down the street over and over and over again.

A loud car passes through the neighborhood and is gone. Most pocket biker riders cruise up and down the same streets over-and-over again, so that the noise is there continuously. That's the problem.

Does that make more sense?


On 07 April 2005 (02:15 PM), Josh P. said:

i have a pocket bike and go-kart and the cops have came to me twice. they really only had to come becouse somewone complained. for all who do complain why. if you dont like it then tell the rider/owner when it would be ok to ride it or if they want a siclencer on it or somthin. its just a bunch of kids trying to have fun. i bet when you were a kid you did somthin that somewone else diddent like. comon people. you all who caller the cops are the kind of people who sit in their house and dont do anything. but if somewone does somthin to have fun and you want to do the same thein or are jelous or dont like the kid or somthin you ge mad and call the police. lighten up people.

oh for all the pocket bike riders you all can ride it on your driveway and yard so just annoy them that way.


On 15 April 2005 (12:53 PM), LA Rider said:

Hell on wheels: pocketbikes face new regs in LA
http://www.server213.com/News/041405_pocket_bikes.html


On 19 April 2005 (10:13 PM), J.M said:

i dont realy get what the big deal is with pocket bikes if ur care full dont drive up one streen over and over again then it should b okay i can understand people getting anoyyed if they kept goin up and down the same street,but if u dont like it just go talk to them 99% of the time they will stop or go somewere else i dont get y old, or stuck up people run others peoples honest fun ps. GET OVER THE LITTLE BUZZ ITS NOT GOIN TO KILL U!


On 24 April 2005 (04:46 PM), que said:

corny.


On 28 April 2005 (08:03 PM), offhahead said:

i have a 50cc scooter the cops see me and try to run me over it is shit. yeah i ride hard but im careful my scooter goes 50 kms and ive done more modifications it goes faster the cops now i have to sell it i want 250 4 it give me a call 0422757196


On 28 April 2005 (08:03 PM), offhahead said:

i have a 50cc scooter the cops see me and try to run me over it is shit. yeah i ride hard but im careful my scooter goes 50 kms and ive done more modifications it goes faster the cops now i have to sell it i want 250 4 it give me a call 0422757196


On 05 May 2005 (07:04 AM), offhahead said:

hay pocket rider your pretty cool you no wat to say i like u ive still got my 50 cc scooter. what can i do to get it going plz help me 3 day ago it was mby brithday my mum said take it out 4 a spine so i did i was racing a a water cooled pocket bike when i gave it to it i killed him i stop and the cops were after me i turned in to a mates house lucky i need your help i wear all the safety gear now i need the power plz help me pocket rider thanks brendon


On 05 May 2005 (07:04 AM), offhahead said:

hay pocket rider your pretty cool you no wat to say i like u ive still got my 50 cc scooter. what can i do to get it going plz help me 3 day ago it was mby brithday my mum said take it out 4 a spine so i did i was racing a a water cooled pocket bike when i gave it to it i killed him i stop and the cops were after me i turned in to a mates house lucky i need your help i wear all the safety gear now i need the power plz help me pocket rider thanks brendon


On 05 May 2005 (07:04 AM), offhahead said:

hay pocket rider your pretty cool you no wat to say i like u ive still got my 50 cc scooter. what can i do to get it going plz help me 3 day ago it was mby brithday my mum said take it out 4 a spine so i did i was racing a a water cooled pocket bike when i gave it to it i killed him i stop and the cops were after me i turned in to a mates house lucky i need your help i wear all the safety gear now i need the power plz help me pocket rider thanks brendon


On 14 May 2005 (07:57 AM), s d said:

okay heres the deal whats the problem of having a little fun on our streets im mean cmon its just a little motorized bike that cant realy go that fast any ways.i mean every body has one look around and do they realy look so dangerous and also if its to loud they can just get a silencer on there pocket it cost like 30 bucks and after its on the pocket bike will sound a little louder than an electric pocket bike so just let the kids have alittle fun on neibor hood streets


On 22 May 2005 (11:03 AM), gskthunder said:

omg all i see in here are a bunch of whiners. i am a 31 year old male, i have a pocket rock bike and it's fun to ride, and i also have a moped, BTW mopeds are not loud as some of you complianed about. we all have a kid in us, weather you want it to show or not, let that kid inside of you come out and take a mpoed for a ride. i live in fort worth texas. our mpoed is regs. as the law wants, the mini pocket rocket i am going to get info on it to see if i have to reg. that also. mopeds and scooters are street legal, the pocket rocket i have isnt though, top speed is only 25mph my moped is 30mph. as far as noise goes, yes the pocket rocks are a bit noisey, and mopeds and scooters are not loud, think how loud a harley is......hummmm think about that, they are louder than most pocket rockets, and most mopeds and scooter (not the little scooters you stand up on) are quiter than lawn mowers. i have a 3 year old son and a 12 year old step son, my 3 year old has a 1hp hot wheels gas powered go kart, he loves it, think back when you were a kid riding your go kart or a friends go kart, how fun that was, well that is how much fun i have at 31 years old on a pocket rocket. my wife, step son and i take turns ride it, in a empty parking lot. but as far as the moped i drive that thing everywhere. so stop whining about the pocket rockets, there not that bad, there fun. LET THE KIDS BE KIDS and yes part is the parents fault for not showing them the correct way to ride them, and they dont go over the laws with there kids on these things. our family knows the law. and they are not spoiled because they have these fun toys. how many of you bought a PS2 or an XBOX for your kid(s)? think about how much that cost you, well i can tell you it cost just as much as a moped,scooter, and a pocket rocket, so dont say these kids are spoiled that have these things you spent the same amount of $$$$ on a video game. oh and by the way i work on these things for the kids and parents in my neighborhood so :P when you see or hear one coming do the road, think back when you were a kid. i will say there should be a cut off time for riding them if in a parking lot near houses. if you have a problem with these things be a man or a grown woman and go to the kids house and talk to the parents and info them about the law. ok well i will stop writing now i have to go get gas for these things. P.S all you pocket rocket and moped/scooter riders RIDE ON AND HAVE FUN, OBEY THE LAWS IN YOUR AREA.


On 08 June 2005 (03:26 PM), Dude said:

Pocket Bikes should be legal,there fun hott and a load of fun...soo if us teens want to ride um..then let us ..who cares about the dangers?


On 08 June 2005 (03:26 PM), Dude said:

Pocket Bikes should be legal,there fun hott and a load of fun...soo if us teens want to ride um..then let us ..who cares about the dangers?


On 17 June 2005 (03:56 PM), James said:

Fuck all of you niggers that hate pocketbikes.Fuckin faggot ass bitches


On 27 June 2005 (07:45 PM), cameron dillard said:

i would like to see pictures of a pocket bike , i bet people would actually buy your stuff if you had pictures i really want a pocket bike i am 15 years ,old and i bust my butt every day so i can save up to buy one and i heard your site was pretty good


On 27 June 2005 (07:45 PM), cameron dillard said:

i would like to see pictures of a pocket bike , i bet people would actually buy your stuff if you had pictures i really want a pocket bike i am 15 years ,old and i bust my butt every day so i can save up to buy one and i heard your site was pretty good


On 13 July 2005 (05:45 PM), Doach Choad said:

Hey queers.If you see any of us pocket bike riders and we fall and eat shit(which we won't) just go ahead and laugh.It will make you feel better because if all you do is bitch about us riding them than just laugh when you see one crash.Don't worry about it.Fuck you.Nigger.Dick sucking fat mother fucker who takes it up the ass.Well have a nice day people!Thomas Chadd sucks bick dick!!!!!!!!!


On 24 July 2005 (10:59 AM), english kid said:

Pocket Bikes in america are slow, me and my friend here have a blata origami watercooled minimoto, and they do 70-80mph, and only 50cc they are not road legal here, and we dont know where too ride them so we just go too a carpark after the supermarket is closed


On 31 July 2005 (10:14 AM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Apparently most of you think pocket bike riders are all idiots, who don't care about the rules of the road, who don't wear any safety gear, carry their friends or "little brother or sister" along in the middle of the night and puposely annoy people. NOT ALL RIDERS ARE LIKE THAT!! I have a pocket bike, I stop at stop signs, wear a DOT APPROVED HELMET, ride only in daylight, as they are already hard enough to see, riding at night doesn't help, I'm don't carry ANYONE on my bike, and I don't bug people out of their minds. If you think pocket bikes are loud, what about all of the weed eaters and lawn mowers people use, why don't you call the police and complain about them being loud, as they're not any quieter than pocket bikes. I know, the reason you don't call the police on them is because it wouldn't being ruining kid's fun, it would just cause someone to have a half-cut lawn.


On 31 July 2005 (03:49 PM), ** said:

I agree with NFSGamerUSA.

...-english kid, dont lie they are slow here in america, but dont exagerate-blata-they dont go 70-80mph they go about 45-55 freekin liar


On 31 July 2005 (03:49 PM), ** said:

I agree with NFSGamerUSA.

...-english kid, dont lie they are slow here in america, but dont exagerate-blata-they dont go 70-80mph they go about 45-55 freekin liar


On 31 July 2005 (03:49 PM), ** said:

I agree with NFSGamerUSA.

...-english kid, dont lie they are slow here in america, but dont exagerate-blata-they dont go 70-80mph they go about 45-55 freekin liar


On 02 August 2005 (08:30 PM), PocketDude said:

Does any one no if pocket bikes are legal in virginia cuz im 12 and gettin one


On 02 August 2005 (10:06 PM), PocketDude said:

i dont htink u shuld have 2 be 16 cuz im 12 and i can ride my 60mph x12 pretty responsibly and none of my neighbors get pissed off at me they actually wanna ride it! i think pocket bikes should be leggalized that would be be so fun. o yeah and all u faggets bitchin ur probaaly just some 80yr fuck that just was ass fucked and stays in ur house all day, ur probaaly all fat cuz u never go out! thats wuts wrong with some of u guys u dont wanna live life on the edge ur just pussies! u never go out and ur the kinda nieghbors that call the cops and ruin the fun!


On 02 August 2005 (10:06 PM), PocketDude said:

i dont htink u shuld have 2 be 16 cuz im 12 and i can ride my 60mph x12 pretty responsibly and none of my neighbors get pissed off at me they actually wanna ride it! i think pocket bikes should be leggalized that would be be so fun. o yeah and all u faggets bitchin ur probaaly just some 80yr fuck that just was ass fucked and stays in ur house all day, ur probaaly all fat cuz u never go out! thats wuts wrong with some of u guys u dont wanna live life on the edge ur just pussies! u never go out and ur the kinda nieghbors that call the cops and ruin the fun!


On 05 August 2005 (01:03 PM), Ian said:

Adults think we don't know pocket rockets aren't street legal and just because when they had mini bikes they were stupid and rode them in the street and got hit doesn't mean we're going to,and yes they did have them back then.
O'yeah um,"PocketDude" next time your "making a point" at least spell faggot right. But I say lift the ban off of California!


On 05 August 2005 (01:03 PM), Ian said:

Adults think we don't know pocket rockets aren't street legal and just because when they had mini bikes they were stupid and rode them in the street and got hit doesn't mean we're going to,and yes they did have them back then.
O'yeah um,"PocketDude" next time your "making a point" at least spell faggot right. But I say lift the ban off of California!


On 05 August 2005 (01:04 PM), Ian said:

Adults think we don't know pocket rockets aren't street legal and just because when they had mini bikes they were stupid and rode them in the street and got hit doesn't mean we're going to,and yes they did have them back then.
O'yeah um,"PocketDude" next time your "making a point" at least spell faggot right. But I say lift the ban off of California!


On 06 August 2005 (04:50 PM), 123456789 said:

pocketbike dude: x12 do not go 60mph tops is 40mph: dont bullshit little kid!


On 06 August 2005 (04:51 PM), 123456789 said:

pocketbike dude: x12 do not go 60mph tops is 40mph: dont bullshit little kid!


On 21 August 2005 (01:49 PM), pocket bike fan said:

I think that pocket bikes should be aloud. My friend has one and the neighbors think its cool not annoying.


On 21 August 2005 (06:51 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

**, you seem to be the only one that much about pocketbikes, have you ever been to pocketbikeplanet.com? If you haven't, you ought to visit there because they offer lots of help on pocket bikes, same for everyone else reading this thread. It's a great place to get into pocket biking at!


On 21 August 2005 (06:51 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

**, you seem to be the only one that much about pocketbikes, have you ever been to pocketbikeplanet.com? If you haven't, you ought to visit there because they offer lots of help on pocket bikes, same for everyone else reading this thread. It's a great place to get into pocket biking at!


On 21 August 2005 (06:52 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

**, you seem to be the only one that much about pocketbikes, have you ever been to pocketbikeplanet.com? If you haven't, you ought to visit there because they offer lots of help on pocket bikes, same for everyone else reading this thread. It's a great place to get into pocket biking at!


On 28 August 2005 (05:35 PM), rossinirider said:

actualy the X12 goes 60 mph if its 110 cc if its 49 it goes like 25 mph


On 30 August 2005 (01:19 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

No, 110cc X12s only go maybe a little over 40, I assure you they do not go 60. The stock speedometers on ANY Chinese pocketbikes are so innacurate it makes a 3 year old look good at math.


On 30 August 2005 (01:19 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

No, 110cc X12s only go maybe a little over 40, I assure you they do not go 60. The stock speedometers on ANY Chinese pocketbikes are so innacurate it makes a 3 year old look good at math.


On 07 September 2005 (06:55 PM), pocket winner said:

anyone know the laws of a pb in colorado cuz ive got one & my mom wont let me ride it til i know it wont get taken away

P.S. Fuck you anti pocket bikeists yall dont even know how good it feels to ride them and yet you criticise us for enjoying life a little bit dammit


On 08 September 2005 (03:15 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

pocket winner, I don't know if it is or not, but most everywhere it is. If I were you, just ride it until a police man stops you or says that that's illegal, just say, "I didn't know it was illegal to ride on the street, sir, I'm sorry. I won't ride it the street again. Thank you for notifying me (Unless he isn't nice and doesn't let you off with a warning or even a ticket, but instead takes it away)." Also, don't be so rude to people who don't like pocket bikers being on the street. Cussing them out only makes pocket bikers look worse and more hated all around the country, think before you say things.


On 17 September 2005 (11:35 PM), MJ said:

what has gone wrong with america what is wrong with you people. i may as well move to a another communist country because this one is getting weirder and expensive. we all cant do anything without somebody or a nasi cop dipping into our personal business. my grandfather and father died for this country, why to see it turn into a sociaiist nation. what a bunch of weak uptight rude self centered people we have become. where is joe mccarthy when you need him. there are 19000 murders in the usa and the cops are worried about pocket bikes!!!!!
maybe if the hoodlums could have a cheap thrill on a pocket bike or whatever it would give them something else to do.


On 18 September 2005 (01:16 AM), pocket racer champion said:

I think pocket bikes should be allowed on public roads. they may be dangerous but accisents happen every day and police should be doing more important things instead of confiscating peoples pocket bikes. they are is powerful as scooters and can be customised to be just as noisy. We should just be atleast to ride them in the bike lane or the footpaths or at the minnium at public parks


On 20 September 2005 (08:00 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Well, I think they should be legal, but people in cars usually can't see them, especially the really small ones, like mine. I think there should be a drivers permit for small enigned vehicles, such as pocket bikes, that you could aquire at 13 or 14. I know here in Alabama you can get a motorcycle permit at age 14 (I wish I had a real motorcycle; I'm 14), and if you put a tall zip flag on your bike you'd be a lot more visable. It's just that all of these dumb kids get on them and run stop signs and lights and hit and get hit by cars.


On 20 September 2005 (08:00 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Well, I think they should be legal, but people in cars usually can't see them, especially the really small ones, like mine. I think there should be a drivers permit for small enigned vehicles, such as pocket bikes, that you could aquire at 13 or 14. I know here in Alabama you can get a motorcycle permit at age 14 (I wish I had a real motorcycle; I'm 14), and if you put a tall zip flag on your bike you'd be a lot more visable. It's just that all of these dumb kids get on them and run stop signs and lights and hit and get hit by cars.


On 20 September 2005 (08:00 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Well, I think they should be legal, but people in cars usually can't see them, especially the really small ones, like mine. I think there should be a drivers permit for small enigned vehicles, such as pocket bikes, that you could aquire at 13 or 14. I know here in Alabama you can get a motorcycle permit at age 14 (I wish I had a real motorcycle; I'm 14), and if you put a tall zip flag on your bike you'd be a lot more visable. It's just that all of these dumb kids get on them and run stop signs and lights and hit and get hit by cars.


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On 22 October 2005 (06:37 PM), mark said:

hey yall them fucking old people that have nothin else to do then bitch and complain u guys need to fuck off and get a life. cuz i ride mine safe cuz im not a dumbass. and mine is like 3 feet tall and it can be seen from a ford F350 wen im right in fron of it so yall are fucking wrong. also go ahead and get 1 cuz the cops dont care i mean i rode my 2 or 4 today and i just waved and thats all. andd they SHOULD BE LEGAL!!!!! but i dont care if there not cuz i will still do it


On 27 October 2005 (07:54 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

First of all, cussing people out only makes us pocket bikers look worse. Secondly, not all pocket bikes are as big as yours, the real pocket bikes are barely visible, mid bikes like yours are more visible though. I would like to see them legalized, but if they were it'd probably be only the mid bike-style with lights, very unlikely the real pocket bikes that are smaller and don't have any lights or other "safety" features.


On 28 October 2005 (04:42 PM), bob said:

pocke bikes are fine there is nothing wrong with them. sure they are loud but so are lawnmowers and leaf blowers so what is the big deal. if people get hurt let them its there problem not yours


On 28 October 2005 (07:24 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Exactly, bob. People are just trying to be mean or jealous when they complain about noise, how do they handle lawn mowers and weed eaters?


On 11 November 2005 (11:51 PM), Anonymous said:

I will try to make this short but there is many things I wanted to comment on. It's reasonable to see why some people think they are unsafe and should be banned, but you don't own one therefore you only think about one side. I would not want to be in a car on a busy street where its full of pocket bikes BUT thats why there should be rules for them, banning them did not help as people still ride them, why not give us a chance to do it properly.

My bike is 110cc, goes 60mph, has all lights, decent size and ITS TOTALLY USELESS because of the nice law which bans them compleatly. How fun is riding one in a parking lot by urself, not much. When you buy one there is no speech about them being "illegal" unless you ask. How many people who buy them actually use them for "closed circut racing", not many especially not the less expensive ones which most likely make up 80% of the market. If it's one of the small ones you can throw it in your trunk and drive it to the track, not so easy with others. With new vehicles theres a need for new laws so why not specify what is required to make them legal, even if on "specific type of streets". Not to single the smaller models out but at least the ones which are capable of reasonable speeds, and meet safety requirements should be allowed to get registered. The small ones should be allowed in places with MINIMAL traffic, really with no traffic (one or less cars an hour). I have much more to write about but lets just say, I see a need for laws, not a single law which says "illegal on the road" because that is the same as taking them off the market to me. No one races air cooled pocket bikes when there are 30cc water cooled engines capable of making more power and speed, and why put lights and all the other accessories. It's amazing how many of them sell every year, with the market this large they defineatlly need more attention from officals, one thing i don't understand is how a bicycle is "street legal" yet a pocket bike with lights and other sefety features is not.


On 12 November 2005 (07:37 AM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Great write-up! Actually your bike runs in the 30s, MAYBE low 40s. You can't go by what people advertise (they just give the highest top speed so that you will buy from them) or by the speedometer on your bike. The speedometer is VERY, VERY, VERY inaccurate, as it measures your RPM speed and pretty much guesses your speed by that, not by measuring the amount of rotation of the wheel. Also, Chinese air-cooled probably take up 50% of the racing market, because they cost MUCH less than the European bikes, and are about half the price of Chinese water-cooled. This is the story for most, they buy a cheap bike on eBay, then they find out about mods and start tuning, then they find a track near them and start racing. Most people don't intentionally race Chinese air-cooled, it's just that it was really cheap and that's what they bought, they weren't going to pay $1,000+ for a European pocket bike, at least not for a first bike (unless you want something more realiable than a Chinese air-cooled, and that bike is the legendary Blata 2.5, great bike, usually $750+ for a good used one, $1,000+ new), yet alone a Chinese water-cooled, at least twice the price of a Chinese air-cooled, being $500+. If it weren't for the Chinese air-cooled, pocket bike races would suck, being that there would only expensive, water-cooled bikes, and not very many compared to the amount of racing air-cooled bikes. But anyway, great job, and I agree, laws should be made, and to make the smaller ones street legal, they'd require a zip-flag, although I ride mine and the police don't do or say anything when they see me.


On 30 November 2005 (03:07 AM), Adam webster said:

yeh rite . good arguments. I was riding my pocket bike down the street 2day(im 32 on a 47cc bike i can pick up and carry under my arm),cops got me, NOT ALLOWED ON PUBLIC ROADS, ok, well "i pay taxes, you (the council)build pool's, skateramps, BMX tracks n stuff, wheres my 1 hectare square that i can blatt around on my pocket bike? wake up!! jump outta ya coffins.. were headed 4 2006, planets exploding soon....lifes short etc etc. lol etc etc etc . oooo them DAMN pocket bikes/ i wish i could grab some of u winners by the throat BTW... MARK (above) is a legend!!! says me honestly!!!!!!!!!


On 30 November 2005 (03:10 AM), Adam Webster said:

ive got a full tank in the morning! Going for a Riiiide on my poket bike, so neeeerrrrr.lol catch me if u can!


On 30 November 2005 (04:48 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Seriously, I've never been pulled over by a cop. I've pulled up to an intersection with a cop and it was his turn to go and he drove off without a word. I also saw one while riding with my friend on his Razor Pocket Rocket PR200 and he turned around on that street and followed us, and boy were we scared, but he pulled up to a house and stopped, so he wasn't after us. I've had more cops pull me over on my Go-Ped Sport (not because it's loud, it's MUCH quieter than my pocket bike OR driving dangerously), and all they said was that I shouldn't be riding it and need to ride it home, but never on my pocket bike.


On 05 January 2006 (11:13 PM), Nathan said:

Hi, is there any 110cc pocketbikes, or 200cc bikes that ARE road legal, mainly in Australia? Like if they have blinkers and stuff?


On 06 January 2006 (06:59 PM), will said:

you are all stubid,mabe if you all stop calling the cops on us we wont have to run from them. we only act stubed when you call the cops.After that we just do it to pis you off or to get back at you. you cant stop us riding on the street if you dont give us eny were to ride.


On 07 January 2006 (09:06 AM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Nathan, I don't know of any that are road legal, but if you want something in the 200cc range that's street legal try finding a used Kawasaki Ninja 250.
will, making people mad and getting back at them only makes pocketbikes look even worse. Running from the police is what's stupid, because then they'll be more encouraged to make laws against pocketbikes. The reason people are calling the police on you is because you ride up and down the same street over and over. The key is to only drive on the same street every once and a while, and not stay for too long, because it gets annoying to anyone when the sound doesn't go away.


On 07 January 2006 (09:12 AM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Actuallyl, Nathan, I do know of one bike, but you'd really be better off getting a Ninja 250 because it's MORE than worth the price for the quality and reliability compared to getting a Chinese street legal bike. You can tell what this bike looks like because it has turn signals (that stick out) and looks like an 80's style bike. These bike are harder to find then most midbikes, so good luck finding one.


On 27 February 2006 (08:34 PM), fuck all youg uys said:

if you dont like pocket bikes your a fucking faggot and that is the bottom line. they are hella fun to ride and they are the best thing ever. you seriously must take it up the ass if you dont like them. you guys are probably the hella bitchy neighbor that nobody likes and everybody wants to slap. so why dont you get the stick out of your fucking ass, smell the exaust, and start to like pocket bikes and stop being such fucking faggots


On 28 February 2006 (05:37 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

See, that's the reason a lot of people don't like people who ride pocketbikes. Having a bad mood and disrepecting others with a complaint just makes us look worse and more irresponsible. If someone complains, be kind of quiet where they live, then at the end of the block, start going fast again. If you're not respectful, you're going to get in trouble and/or get pocketbikes banned where you live, but if you're respectful to people who have a problem then they're far less likely to call the cops and complain on you.


On 21 April 2006 (12:43 PM), KevG said:

Uhhh I hope everyone who complains about pocketbikes dies. Theyre legal in VA at least, and probably a few other places to ride on streets if you are 16...thats it... no other requirements... so all you pricks who complain about the noise, just die, because its not gonna stop, the pocketbike number is INCREASING not decreasing, fags


On 22 April 2006 (12:17 AM), adam said:

i agree with you kevg
people i am 15 and i own a pocket bike and so does my brother and my friends, i admit they are noisy and every one is saying that they should be baned coz of the noise, if your banning them because of the noise then why dont you get rid of a harly davidson you hear them coming up the street even if it isnt your street, i ride this pocket bike around my back yard coz to many cops (they should all die) tell me these are to noisy they never say i cant ride there but because its a pocket bike people have started to hate them and will not see the good in them, and another thing every one that is complaning about these bikes, have you ever ridden one? i used to think they where pointless until i got one so people that havnt riddin one go out and ride one and stop fucking complaning


On 22 April 2006 (12:34 AM), adam said:

another thing cops and every one tell us we cant ride any where unless its a legal track fuck that give us a track and we will go there dont take our bikes away, our bikes are like kids to us, if you take them away its not going to stop us ridding we will be back with another one


On 11 May 2006 (12:46 AM), jazza said:

why should these little bikes be banned its our litle brothers and sisters that are loud at night i think that the pocket rockets should not be banned.


On 25 May 2006 (02:26 AM), adam said:

man i getting sick of these fuking cops, got doon again today and there not nice about it they get out there cars thinking their top shit and give u shit about it would be so bad if they spoke to us like humman beings they take advantage of their position


On 25 May 2006 (02:43 AM), russian guy said:

Im 14 and i bought one from trademe which is similar to ebay.though i live in NZ and they are legal and you dont need a license unless you drive on the pathway and anything but your not aloud to drive them on the main road where cars drive.I think its stupid to raise the age all i have to say that other youths out there do stupid things which make us other's as i mean miss out or get theres confiscated.It was my birthday last week so my dads gonna get it and im gonna use it properly like riding it at the beach with my mate and driving on the pathway and not trying to get killed or kill.Some you should think how you were when your little? didnt you ever say "Thats unfair!!!" yes its unfair,many people complain thats just annoying and makes life hell.If i drive on my property and someone complains ill just give them the finger.I know some of you think of you getting us killed,thats just stupid and if its true not all of us are killers/ of gonna get killed.So ask yourself how would you feel if your parents said you cant have something when you are legally or not aloud?

My mom says she doesnt want me to because she thinks im gonna die and my dad feels proud of me as im growing older and that im getting interested in bikes and mechanic stuff.I love experiening new things but dont do anything to upset people who miss out.


thats my point of view thank you


On 25 May 2006 (02:50 AM), russian guy said:

oh and i forgot that in new Zealand its different in america so you can drive a pocker bike on the footpath and anywhere else except on the road without a license,but if you wanna go on the road you need a license.What im worried about it people riding bikes on the road its dangerous, i see them all the time and my mom nearly killed one.And footpath is nearly always clear but you can pass people if your careful.I think that the government should build a road for pocket bikes,normal bikes if you dont like it.


On 30 May 2006 (08:41 PM), pocket bike man said:

what is the differance between a real motercycle and a pocket bike. like what the fuck . a motercycle might go like 100 kmh faster but who gives a fucking shyt. pocket bikes should be legal. let people drive them on the sidewalk or in allies because what if you have no fucking transportation one day and you need to be somewere and thats all you have. what the fuck is the point in making them if you cant even fucking ride them on the street. and what is up with the fucking find you can get like for riding a pocket bike you can get a $800 dollar charge and your bike gets tooken away. Make like a fucking lane for pocket bikes so that only you can go there so its more safer.

This is fucking bullshit so im out and peace


On 30 May 2006 (08:44 PM), pocket bike man said:

what is the differance between a real motercycle and a pocket bike. like what the hell. a motercycle might go like 100 kmh faster but who gives a crap. pocket bikes should be legal. let people drive them on the sidewalk or in alies because what if you have no transportation one day and you need to be somewere and thats all you have. what the hell is the point in making them if you cant even ride them on the street. and what is up with the dumb find you can get like for riding a pocket bike you can get a $800 dollar charge and your bike gets tooken away. Make like a lane on the road for pocket bikes so that only you can go there so its more safer.

This is fucking bullshit so im out and peace


On 05 June 2006 (02:49 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

The difference is that pocketbikes are small and extremely hard to see. If you must have some form of motorized transportation, buy a motorized scooter, they're much easier to see.


On 21 June 2006 (04:49 PM), A 14 year old at the mic said:

I save all my money this year for summer to buy this super pocketbike and now i'm told i can't ride it. that is some bullsht.This pocketbike cost me 700 dollars. they should just make a god damn pocketbike lane or a place we can go to ride them like a track or something

I fuking hate all these damn law they are fuking dickheads

Peace out from a 14 year old


On 22 June 2006 (12:42 AM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Just get a Go-Ped, they're much more visible than and pocket bike, and in some cases faster. I think they're much more cop-friendly, too.

P.S. Did I mention my Go-Ped completely rapes my pocket bike, and I spent the same amount of money on each! Check out GoPedNation.com, you can find lots of Go-Peds up for trade in the classifieds (you must be a member for 30 days before you can access the classifieds), I'm sure someone would trade their Go-Ped for it! ;D


On 22 June 2006 (08:14 AM), A 14 year old at the mic said:

But i just brought this bike and it is fast ass hell I got up to 61 when I was racing my dad and he had his car. My bike is called the X-18R-Nitro


On 22 June 2006 (02:44 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

ROFL! I promise you didn't hit 61 mph, the way the bike's velocity is measured with the stock speedometer is by calculating the speed from the rpm from the engine, hence why when you rev the engine on the ground without the rear wheel moving it'll say you're going 5-10 mph. You're probably hitting mid 30 mph or possibly 40 mph.


On 24 June 2006 (03:38 PM), Josh said:

hey i purchased the X18R Nitro howz the durability on those bikes (engine)
hit me up mewantmoofyou@yahoo.com


On 25 June 2006 (04:49 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Ummm...it's Chinese, so what do you expect? They're fairly reliable, but expect a ton of other problems, too. They're Honda clones, so you can replace it with a Honda dirtbike engine of similar size if you want/need.


On 05 July 2006 (04:41 AM), Kaley said:

I have a question.. Well I just got a 110cc Pocket Bike what goes up to 65mph, and I wanted to know if I would need my licenes to ride it on the street.


On 05 July 2006 (02:19 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

They're not street legal, so it wouldn't matter if you had your license or not. It doesn't go 65, though, more like around 40 mph MAX. The speedometers on there are VERY innarcurate and do not measure the speed by the rotatino of the wheel.


On 08 July 2006 (11:59 PM), Bobwins said:

Kaley,

If you bought the X18 Pro Racer 110cc then it is street legal as long as you register it and have your license/permit. Those bike come with a VIN number so they can be registered and therefore can be ridden on the street. They are also EPA and CARB approved, so they pass emmision tests.

NFS, if you do not believe the 110cc X18 doesnt go over 40 check this site out...
http://www.pocket-bikes-wholesale.com/

On that site is a customer who bought one and gives proof they go 63mph.

And on that note I will end this post.
~Jared


On 09 July 2006 (10:29 AM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Car speedometers are very innarcurate (varies greatly from the actual speed), but from watching that I will say it does do 50 mph. If he had used a GPS instead, it'd be a whole different story.


On 11 July 2006 (02:23 PM), A 14 year old at the mic said:

Bobwins that is were I brought my X-18 at. I didn't know they could be registered and become streetlegal thanks.

Josh the engine has been great for me the only thing I did to my bike was take out all the screws and replace them with steel screws.

NFSGAMERUSA mine bike speedometers doesn't jump when I rev it up only the rpm's go up.


On 11 July 2006 (06:10 PM), KARTMAN said:

MY DAD SAY'S I CAN NOT GET A GO KART BECAUSE I HAVE NO PLACE TO RIDE IT. WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS IF YOU ARE ABLE TO RIDE A GO KART ON MY STREET?


On 12 July 2006 (07:22 AM), NFSGamerUSA said:

A 14 year old at the mic, try revving it when it's it gear. I'm pretty sure it measures the speed by estimating from the gear and rpm you're at to get the speed, which is quite innaccurate.

KARTMAN, I doubt a go-kart would be street legal.


On 16 July 2006 (06:43 PM), pocket bike luvr said:

I agree w/all the ppl that say street bikes should be leagel on residential streets and on bike lanes but it is allways the Idots who pay no attention to what they are doing and get hit by cars and noise wise the bike is quieter than most vehichels and trucks espically desiel trucks and if they still have a problem you can allways buy a scielencer for any bike


On 17 July 2006 (10:05 AM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Ummm...street bikes ARE legal, usually POCKET bikes aren't! lol


On 18 July 2006 (12:53 PM), pocket bike luvr said:

NFSGamerUSA arent you just the most halarious


On 18 July 2006 (06:40 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Glad you think so.


On 19 July 2006 (07:28 AM), pocket bike luvr said:

NFSGamerUSA do u know that there is such thing as sarcasam? if you dont know what that is you might want to grab a dictionary.


On 19 July 2006 (09:53 AM), NFSGamerUSA said:

The question is, do YOU know what sarcasm is?


On 21 July 2006 (10:26 AM), Taylor said:

OK, I think pocket bikes should be allowed on sidewalks, Even though the valid point was they were to big and to fast, BUT you get people on pedal bikes and some people are FAT and they take up the whole side walk themselves so how can you complain about a pocket bike being to big? I should complain about people being to BIG?
And pocket bikes should be allowed any were and ridden at the age 13 as long as you have an approved helmet for ATV's, Quads ect.


On 21 July 2006 (10:30 AM), Taylor said:

OK, I think pocket bikes should be allowed on sidewalks, Even though the valid point was they were to big and to fast, BUT you get people on pedal bikes and some people are BIG and they take up the whole side walk themselves so how can you complain about a pocket bike being to big? I should complain about people being to BIG?
And pocket bikes should be allowed any were and ridden at the age 13 as long as you have an approved helmet for ATV's, Quads ect.


On 24 July 2006 (09:48 PM), x18 said:

yo im lookin for a x18-r (race editiot) with 13 hp, i have only found 1 site that has this specific bike (www.minipocketrockets.com)for (600+55(s/h)) if there are any sites with lower prices please let me know, im juss trying to find the most bang for my buck, thanks


On 25 July 2006 (07:49 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Taylor, the size isn't a problem at all; it's the speed that's the problem. Anything over 10-15 mph on a sidewalk is dangerous for anyone else who's walking or even riding a bike. I highly doubt that most people with pocketbikes actually go slow on sidewalks, which poses a danger to them and others on the sidewalk.

x18, there is no 13hp X18, the only pocketbikes that powerful are some the European bikes, such as GRC Moto's, Blata's, Polini Motori's, and BiZeta Motor's. No doubt, that X18 will still be more than powerful enough. Just search around and see if you find any that sell them cheaper.


On 03 August 2006 (03:57 PM), Bob said:

I just bought a Razor pocket rocket electric. Is it legal to ride in a neighborhood in delaware and virginia. I mean it barely makes any noise and it only goes like 12 miles per hour.


On 03 August 2006 (11:07 PM), Adam said:

i dont know what all of these people are bitching about. I just bought a pocket super bike from minipocketrockets.com and it has headlights, taillights, turn signals, mirrors, speedometers, and i even put some lime green neons on the bottom so that paople could see me at night. i even got it registered at the DMV because it DOES PASS the EPA emission standards. I've even takin it on the highway. the thing goes 70mph and stands at about 3 feet tall. i've seen real superbikes that stand only 4 feet tall. there isn't a big difference except that i dont need a licencse and i can ride it to work and park it inside. im only sixteen and the only things that my neighbors have said about my green-glowing, 70mph, tiny-ass superbike with a racing exaust is "oh, thats neat! where did you get one, i think my son would want one of those." so people need to stop bitching about it "being too loud. the noise is gone in a couple of seconds. if i wanted to be loud, i'd get in my friends souped up RX-8 and park it infront of your house with 2 12" subs blairing and then i could do donuts infront of your house just for fun. so SHUT UP and go buy one for yourself so that you'll have something else to bitch at!


On 03 August 2006 (11:13 PM), Adam (cont.) said:

by the way "NFSGamerUSA", you're an idiot. if you go to the website that both me and "x18" said then you will see the bike that we are talking about. they're made in california. and i happen to have one in my garage.


On 04 August 2006 (02:01 PM), Bob said:

I just bought a Razor pocket rocket electric. Is it legal to ride in a neighborhood in delaware and virginia. I mean it barely makes any noise and it only goes like 12 miles per hour.


On 04 August 2006 (03:32 PM), Bob said:

Please help me i need to know fast


On 06 August 2006 (01:56 AM), longshot said:

I am looking into buying a 110 cc mini motorcycle from minipocketrockets.com as well. I live in Massachusetts ( the SECOND most retarded state in the nation- 2nd only to CALI ! )Here they are considered "motor scooters" and cannot be registered , however our laws state that motor scooters do not need to be registered. I'm 33 years old and I like to have responsible fun, I am also looking into buying my children 49cc dirtbikes. I had them when I was younger- it doesnt make me an evil person. I dont mind kids having fun prior to nightfall- I like to see that kids still know how to have fun that doesnt include beating the hell out people and stealing from them. I think it is simply DISGUSTING that some people are so closed minded about having fun. There IS a way to allow folks to have fun in any manner they wish, but jackasses like our own Ted Kennedy and every liberal puke monger in politics would LOVE to create the" communist States of Formerly Free America" - with help of all these uptight knotheads against any type of fun that is louder than BINGO or puzzles! I can understand that pocketbikes are POTENTIALLY dangerous- you would have to be a bonehead to dispute that. But why cant people have the right to take them down the road to the schoolyard where they can ride to their hearts content without being BADGERED to death by the police and/or the Bolshevic Geriatric Society factions found in EVERY bloody neighborhood in America. I am NOT supporting Illegal activity- here in Mass these little machines ARE legal to an extent. I AM HOWEVER supporting a responsible and entertaining use of pocketbikes- EVEN for my CHILDREN.


On 06 August 2006 (12:56 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

ROFL! Adam, you're the idiot here! I've been in pocketbiking far longer than you, sorry. I can't believe you're so stupid as the think that X18 is built in California! ALL MID-BIKES WITH HEADLIGHTS, ELECTRIC STARTERS, ETC. ARE BUILT IN CHINA. Period. /End. If you're stupid enough to believe they're actually "built in California" then you shouldn't been telling me that I'M stupid! Please, just GTFO while you can because you know NOTHING about your POS "X18", I can assure you. And thinking that your 110cc mid-bike can go 70mph just puts the icing on the cake... If they could actually go 70 mph, why, then, do the top of the line ATV's and dirtbikes, with much larger engines and HUGE amounts of power, only go 70 mph or a little more. A little Chinese 110cc engine (a Honda clone, to be exact) couldn't possibly pull the gearing to reach close to 70 mph. You can continue to believe that BS all those websites advertise, but don't come in here acting like you KNOW it's true because the website says so. I bet you believe those POS Cag's and Cat-eyes go 40 mph, too. You're an idiot. /End.

Bob, contact your local PD and ask them. I would imagine that no, you can't, but in some places it is allowed. Go to www.pocketbikeplanet.com for more information.

longshot, I personally agree with you as long as young kids who know NOTHING about riding on the street and following traffic laws aren't what you're talking abuot.


On 06 August 2006 (05:43 PM), longshot said:

I would like to be able to take my kids to a schoolyard or a parking lot that is empty and let them ride around under my supervision. I believe that everyone is entitled to have fun. As long as you are not causing safety issues for yourself and people around you. There has to be some happy middle ground for everyone- there is no such thing as only black or white there are a million shades between and yet people cant seem to find them when it comes to this subject. too bad really,those who are unwilling to compromise turn out to be wankers in the end.


On 07 August 2006 (08:43 PM), pyrodan726 said:

does anyone have any advice..im trying to find a good super bike...ive been looking at the x18-r nitro...any advice


On 07 August 2006 (08:59 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

longshot, I agree with you. As long as you're supervising them, it should be fine.

pyrodan726, I personally wouldn't buy any midbikes or Chinese pocketbikes from my experience (My advice, DO NOT buy ANYTHING Chinese!!! lol), but that's of the better of them. I'd just get a nice Go-Ped or Evo motorized scooter. You can get the fastest production Go-Ped ever, the Super GSR46R, for just under $900 at DavesMotors.com that goes 35 mph (accurate; it'll go faster than stock Cags; they go around 30 mph or less) and you'll never have a problem; it's MADE IN THE US OF A!


On 09 August 2006 (12:01 PM), dakota said:

the police shouldn't arest everyone with a pocket bike on the street. they should monitor the people with them and if they are following the rules of the road and are on less traveld streets than the police should leave them alone. i have one and i follow the rules im only one roads with next to no cars or on tracks. if the police are jelous. i bet some officers let thier kids have a minibike and ride them on the street but then they would arest somone else with one on the street. its bullshit


On 09 August 2006 (12:53 PM), longshot said:

I have never had any experience with these machines yet but I am looking at buying that little x18-r. I want to cut the swing arm and extend it as well as make it wider.I also want to hop up the mill and push the ponys WAY overboard. I would like to start a mini DRAG BIKE sport. It would be really cool- especially if I could get a few people interested and use a local drag strip or airport runway to hold races. That is what I want to do with super pocket bikes- but then again, everyone I know is convinced that Im friggin crazy anyways.


On 09 August 2006 (07:32 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

dakota, police don't just arrest you, usually they just warn and/or fine, or at least some do.

longshot, go to www.pocketbikeplanet.com, there are quite a few pocket drag bikes there. I personally would put my money elsewhere than on a Chinese pocketbike (for obvious reasons), but whatever flots your boat.


On 12 August 2006 (02:53 AM), Trinitron Jenova said:

OMG you god dam pocket bike haters...

FOR ALL YOU HOBBY LOVING POCKET BIKERS OUT THERE

-=dont you just hate it when haters pull shit out of their ass just to cause some bullshit conflict? worrying about their own ass because they hate the 40cc 79CC 110 noise? because its so annoying?=-

WELL LISTEN UP YOU UNGRATEFUL BIKE HATING BASTARDS.

READ THIS AND READ IT GOOD. IM STANDING UP FOR ALL THE HOBBY LOVERS WHETHER ITD BE A POCK BIKE OR NOT.

STOP SAYING ALL THIS SHIT ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE NOISE DEAL...THE STUPID SHIT THAT COMES OUT OF YOUR MOUTH IS "THE NOISE DEAL"

YOU

ARE

ALL

PRACTICAL

NONSENSE

HATERS

WITH

A SMART ASS MOUTH

LET US BE WITH OUR POCKET BIKES

AND WELL LET YOU BE WITH YOU KINK VIBRATORS IN YOUR ASS

HARSH?

WELL WITH ALL DO RESPECT,
MAYBE WE'LL RESPECT YOU MORE WHEN YOU WORRY ABOUT YOUR OWN LITTLE LIVES AND LET PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO...

WHAT EVER HAPPEND TO FREE COUNTRY?

OH YEA IM PULLING THIS ONE

BECAUSE HONESTLY, WHAT HAS THIS WORLD COME TO?
IS IT SOME PERFECT AMERICAN BRAINWASHING WHO DEMANDS WHAT THEY WANT AND NOT CARE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE?
(TALK ABOUT SELFISH)

SOME BULLSHIT LET ME TELL YOU

I SWEAR...
ALL YOU FUCKERS ARE GOING NAZI AND THINK THAT BIKE NOISES WILL CAUSE ANARCHY.

AND SURE...SOME BIKERS CAUSE SOME SHIT WITH NEIGHBORS BECAUSE NEIGHBORS INITIALLY CALL THE SHOTS...THINKING THAT THEY ARE BOSS IN THE STREETS...TELLIN US TO SHUT OUR SHIT OFF.

SO THE TOPIC IS..........

POCKET BIKES=ANNOYING...

HAHAHAHAHAHA

WELL YOU KNOW WHAT? I WONT PROLONG IT IN THE FACT THAT THE SUBJECT OF THE MATTER IS ABOUT OUR "LITTLE ANNOYING BIKES"

FOR YOU POSTING THIS UP, I HAPPEN TO CROSS THIS VIA GOOGLE.

ONE----LOOKED INTERESTING, THEN I SAW THE HATE.
YOU MUST BE SOME ACTIVIST. IF NOT, SOME SENSELESS NO LIFE THAT LOVES TO HATE ABOUT STUPID THINGS BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO. HATING ALL THE TIME HATE HATE HATE. SOMETHING YOU HATE IS ALMOST THE SAME AS HATING A RACE.

TWO...YOU LIKE TO DO THIS FOR THE LOVE OF FEEDBACK...

WELL GUESS WHAT...I CAN CALL YOU MR/MS POPULAR

NOW...JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP AND MAKE LIKE A TREE BECAUSE YOUR MR/MS POPULAR NOW

GOOD FOR YOU...YOU PUT THIS ON YOURSELF


On 18 August 2006 (09:31 PM), zac said:

i say there the best becouse with world poulltion goin around the pocket bike might be the only thing to ride also to the made to get you from point a to poin b and to just cruise
i have a 26cc two stake gas scooter and i love it im now looking for pocket bike to get me to were i want to go faster.


On 19 August 2006 (04:56 PM), tim said:

To all the people hating it up your's, your angry
cuz some one's having fun riding on a pb enjoiyng it , you complaining about the noise really? then why don't ya just make a law to shut up your niebhor's your spouse family and kids or pets, whats the difference of a full size bike or car going by nothing,it's the same thing a noise, understand dat many people will agree your the annoying noise


On 22 August 2006 (03:43 AM), Anthony said:

Well, I just wanted to add that my friend bought a few pocket dirtbikes today, and we were both riding them up and down our street (it was in the middle of the afternoon for the love of GOD!) and some old man came out to complain, it could have gotten out of control very easily; I seriously had to restrain from getting so angry that I would have caused this man bodily injury for being such a grumpy old shit.

The only people who complain are those that lost the feeling of having fun. Life is meant to have fun so lightin' up and smile.


On 30 August 2006 (08:16 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

BTW, Adam, that video was made by 90GTVert, a member at PocketBikePlanet.com. It is HEAVILY modified (pipe, carb, MUCH higher gearing, etc.). That X-18 is FAR stock. The stock ones go around 40 mph, and some go slightly faster (ie. 45 mph) because they have slightly higher gearing. It'd be impossible to get a stock one to do 63 mph, yet alone the 70 mph you speak of, that is, unless you through it off a cliff!


On 18 September 2006 (07:43 PM), chris said:

iam trying to take a weed eater motor and put it on a mini moto pocket bike but i cnt get my motor to start it dosent look like it is getting gas can anyone help


On 21 September 2006 (05:12 AM), NFSGamerUSA said:

I recommend going to pocketbikeplanet.com because you can get much more help there than here. It could that your fuel line is crimped, that your spark plug is bad, that your magneto/ignition has gone bad, that your carb needs cleaning, tons of different things. Try to narrow it down and ask the guys at PBP to help you. Good luck! ;)


On 31 October 2006 (12:56 AM), PocketDan (x-18r) said:

I just bought the x18-r and will have it delivered and running in a few days. I'll keep it stock for now and tweak things one at a time and retest. I've also got one of those hand held GPS that very accurately records the mph and max mph (I’ll post my results).
I live in Oceanside, Ca and plan on registering my bike with the local DMV.
I’d like to eventually get into competitive racing. Anyone knows about any leagues or tracks near my area? Or anyone near my area would like to get together on the weekends and setup a road coarse on an unused parking lot, let me know.


On 31 October 2006 (02:07 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

There is lots of racing out west in the Arizona/California/Nevada region, so you should be able to find some races fairly easily. Mid-bikes aren't the ideal bikes for racing, IMO, but you can get some decent performance out of them, just nothing like the 15hp+ 39cc Polini engines that are found on most European bikes. Upgrading to a nice 125cc Honda 4-stroke engine, or a 150cc (directly out of their CRF150R, I believe) could get you some decent, reliable power and performance. Good luck, I hope you enjoy it!


On 31 October 2006 (04:54 PM), PocketDan (x-18r) said:

Thanks~! The mini-motos just seem uncomfortably small. I like the new 150R engine Honda created. I'd love to swap for one of those. Anyone out there knows about a kit or has done this already?
And anyone played around with a little shot of NOS??? :)


On 01 November 2006 (02:37 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

No problem! I can understand what you are talking about. GRC Moto (a European pocket bike company) makes two different versions of most of their bikes, one larger and one smaller, but those cost thousands of dollars. I imagine you only paid around $750 for that X-18R. I'm not very knowledgeable about switching engine in mid-bikes, but I think you can fit most Honda engines 125cc and below into them, since the 4-stroke engines on most mid-bikes (some have 49cc two strokes) are mostly Honda clones. I suggest registering with PocketBikePlanet.com, they could help you out a lot more than I could. I'm not sure if the new 150cc Honda engine can fit, but if it's anything like the 125cc and smaller Honda engines, it should. Good luck!


On 05 November 2006 (12:39 AM), PocketDan (x-18r) said:

Thanks! Actually I paid $680(tax & shipping).
Got the bike~! I'm in the processes of still breaking it in. 3 gas tanks ( that's over 100 miles ), is going to take me sometime.
I did however find that you can swap for either a high revving 3v engine, a built 125cc or even go with the monster 160cc upgrade kit for the stock 110cc. That's a huge 50+% gain (and not just on the top end). What is scary is that I'm not sure how stable these mid-bikes are at high speeds as far as tires, suspension and braking? Just doing around 25-30mph and if you hit a bump on the road in the right place, and the high speed confidence is gone.
Check out http://www.pocketbikesunlimited.com/

Few issues I did find out already on the x18-r:
1.) battery is shipped dead and it is buried. Tech support indicates that the generator should fill the battery back up eventually.
2.) Handle bars run into the part right below the windshield ( not sure of the technical name ). This “part” of the plastic needs to be filed.
3.) The brake light cable is installed on the clutch lever instead!!!! (China) and you can’t pull out the cable. You have to cut, splice etc. big time pita~!
4.) And the same person that installed the break light cable, wrote the manual for it too is backwards English (China again). The only useful part is reading it for a laugh.



On 05 November 2006 (11:13 AM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Yeah, it's Chinese for sure. Just get a steering stabilizer to make it more stable at higher speeds.


On 05 November 2006 (05:54 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

I also forgot to mention that I had the ame problem of the handlebar hitting that part of the windshield on my Cag, so I filed it down and used very fine grit sandpaper and it looks and feels as if it were made to be that way.


On 09 November 2006 (12:10 PM), picketguy said:

The problem with registering the X-18 for street use:
No DOT approved tires come on it.
No odometer.
No mirror (aesy fix though).
No license plate bracket (easy fix though).
Rear turn signals have to be 18 inches apart (fairly easy fix).


On 09 November 2006 (05:14 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

You can get an odometer fairly cheap and put it on there, and probably find some DOT Approved scooter or moped tires that'll fit it, too.


On 13 November 2006 (05:53 PM), Taylor said:

i think all you people that get mad over things like this need a life those japan nock offs are made for kids to have fun on. kids want to act like adults why do you think they made power wheels the only thing kids can buy/ride are little things like those pocket bikes thats why the craze is so huge. if you drive respectfully and give all cars the right of way (because there allowed to be on the rode and your not) people should have no problem with little pocket bikes.


On 14 November 2006 (01:54 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Haha, I'm 100% sure that the 15hp GRCs, BZMs, Blatas, Polinis, and other pocket bikes were designed with kids in mind (of course, they're European)! Also, I think you mean Chinese pocketbikes, whom they probably expected to be a big seller with kids. The Japanese pocketbikes were the original, then Europe, then the cheap Chinese knock-offs. The Japanese and European bikes ARE NOT knock-offs whatsoever. You must be living under a rock if you think Japanese motorized vehicles (cars, trucks, motorcycles, etc.) are cheap knock-offs, as they're the world leader as far as quality control standards go!


On 14 November 2006 (07:20 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

BTW, I totally agree with you, and that's the way I DID ride my pocket bike and how I ride my Go-Ped. A lot of these people I imagine are very wreckless and ignorant to other people and vehicles.


On 23 November 2006 (04:58 AM), InTheOldDaysFun WasAllowed said:

Fucking hell you middle class lesbo whores. If bureaucratic fuckwits like you people didnt exist there would still be public space for this kind of leisure. Maybe pocket bikes are ridden on roads because you people have cordined off every area where people can have fun on motorbikes and the like, maybe it's because the same kind of people like you have sued everytime you hurt yourself.
GO FUCK YOURSELF


On 26 November 2006 (10:41 AM), NFSGamerUSA said:

You're an idiot just like the majority of the other people who've posted in this thread.


On 09 December 2006 (07:30 PM), kevin said:

i'm looking for a c r 125 honda 2 stroke dirt bike from the year 2000 and up thats used and for sale does any one know where i can find it at?


On 09 December 2006 (07:30 PM), kevin said:

i'm looking for a c r 125 honda 2 stroke dirt bike from the year 2000 and up thats used and for sale does any one know where i can find it at?


On 11 December 2006 (02:53 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Try your local classifieds, eBay, or craigslist.


On 19 December 2006 (10:45 PM), William said:

Hi, I am new to the Pocket Bike world. And I am looking for advice on what would be a good deal that is under $300. Other than a used Euro/Italian/Japanese bike. (may end up doing just that)

Any site recommendations?
(I was thinking about minipocketrocket.com)

Any known indicators good cheap bikes?
I would greatly appreciate the advice.


On 19 December 2006 (10:51 PM), William said:

Hi, I am new to the Pocket Bike world. And I am looking for advice on what would be a good deal that is under $300. Other than a used Euro/Italian/Japanese bike. (may end up doing just that)

Any site recommendations?
(I was thinking about minipocketrocket.com)

Any known indicators of 'good' cheap bikes?
I would geatly appreciate the advice!


On 20 December 2006 (05:17 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

No cheap, Chinese bikes are worth it at all, from my experience. Just save and go for a Blata 2.5, it's the time tested European pocket bike that the Chinese Cag is a copy of.


On 22 December 2006 (11:15 PM), Nick said:

William...minipocketrockets.com is a very good site for your needs of a pocket bike, i would recommend it over anything else...

1) They are a designated site with EPA and PPEO approved regulations, and the bikes that they sell come with a certificate approving, no matter which bike, that it is legal in all 50 states, all you have to do is show the certificate to the officer if u get pulled over, and he can do nothing more..


for everyone, my opinion on pocket bikes..
i have a 110cc, very fast, about 70mph fast, its a nice little thing, i think you should be able to ride it around your neighboorhood, than again i am only 13 and i cant really assume i have to much word in this quarry, but i'd like to get it out, as u have read above, pocket rocket, i think he has the best saying, a good public speaker. i read in the DMV a general law of all 50 states, that anything that is under 50cc is perfectly legal, they classify it as a "moped". it must not have more than 5 gross Horsepower, which most of them are comfortably under, must not acceed, or however u spell it, 40 mph. must have 2 wheels. so they are legal, but usually only in designated areas. they say that you should refer to empty parking lots, bike lanes, parks, low-traffic areas, etc.

i agree.
i also agree with not letting them on freeways and main-street lanes. i accept that. although, technically, my pocket bike can reach 70, which is plenty for the free-way, i just dont think it be to safe traveling at those speeds on a little thing, mainly because, if someone passes you, the aero-force will push against u and make you veer out of control. I.E. I'm sure, some of you have been waiting in the turning lane, and had someone going 45 mph pass you, and you have felt your car shake, imagine that, but at higher speeds, and only on 2 wheels...but for all you old hags complaining about them, how would you like it if when you were young like myself, and you were trying to enjoy your child life, and some old person comes along and ruins it all, or calls the cops, im sure it has happened for some of you, its just not cool. Why do it to us?
I say, go get ur vaseline, playboys, lock urself in the bathroom, and masturebate like im sure alot of u older nazi anti-fun elders do. just leave us youth to our fun and games, and go be anti-fun inside of your own house.

if you have anything to say to me, my email is nbcoolj97@hotmail.com

I'd love to hear from you


On 23 December 2006 (08:46 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

You made some good points there, Nick, although being disrespectful towards adults about the situation (at least in your post) isn't going to gain anything but more trouble.

I also don't see how your mid-bike is street legal considering it's over twice the engine size limit and probably makes just over 5hp, or close to it, either. I do believe, also, that you must be 16 and/or have a valid driver's license (although I think a motorcycle permit would be a better bet, which you can usually, at least where I live, get it before you're 16) to be able to legally ride a pocketbike that's under 50ccs on the street.

Also, sorry to break it to you, but there's no way your mid bike is going to reach 70 mph stock, at least not without some major gearing changes, but even then it'd struggle to get to speed. For example, the mid-bike "Adam" linked to (I think he did) was a highly modified 110cc mid-bike owned by a specific member of Pocket Bike Planet (of whom that video was stolen from and put on that site without his permission) and only reached 63 mph, I believe.


On 26 December 2006 (11:51 AM), Nick said:

Yes i understand that i was showing disrespect to adults, but, were kids..we like to have fun, we dont all have to live under rocks because some old person cant deal with 2 seconds of noise from a pocket bike passing their house...

and yes i have reached about 61 mph on my pocket bike...you have to break it in properly for it to reach those speeds...but than again i weigh about 180 bls, and I did hallow out the muffler, and put in a silencer...dont worry im not some fat little kid trying to get his way on a forum, im speaking my mind.

LET US HAVE FUN

if u dont, it just goes to show how misunderstanding of a citizen and how bad of a father/mother your going to be, especially if you cant deal with a little bit of noise...and yes

i clearly understand my pocket bike is illegal, but i dont ride it to much elsewhere besides my neighborhood, and it has a silencer so nobody complains about me riding it, its quieter than a car...the only time i have had anyone stop and ask me to not ride around their house, because it was waking their baby, was when i was on my 250cc quad, but it had basically a follow-through muffler and it was loud as fuck...and from then on, i only took it to the jumps and rode it, i didnt say fuck u bastard, its not ur road u cant tell me what to do, i respected him like any normal human being would, but i can't understand why it can't always be that easy, not we have the government making all pocket bikes illegal...bull


and u dont have to be 16 to ride a pocket bike..as long as its under 50cc...there is a cop that lives like 3 houses away from me, and he has rode my bike, and explained the law perfectly to me, he says i wont get busted as long as i keep it off of surface streets and highways, but its fine in my neighborhood...


On 26 December 2006 (11:51 AM), Nick said:

Yes i understand that i was showing disrespect to adults, but, were kids..we like to have fun, we dont all have to live under rocks because some old person cant deal with 2 seconds of noise from a pocket bike passing their house...

and yes i have reached about 61 mph on my pocket bike...you have to break it in properly for it to reach those speeds...but than again i weigh about 180 bls, and I did hallow out the muffler, and put in a silencer...dont worry im not some fat little kid trying to get his way on a forum, im speaking my mind.

LET US HAVE FUN

if u dont, it just goes to show how misunderstanding of a citizen and how bad of a father/mother your going to be, especially if you cant deal with a little bit of noise...and yes

i clearly understand my pocket bike is illegal, but i dont ride it to much elsewhere besides my neighborhood, and it has a silencer so nobody complains about me riding it, its quieter than a car...the only time i have had anyone stop and ask me to not ride around their house, because it was waking their baby, was when i was on my 250cc quad, but it had basically a follow-through muffler and it was loud as fuck...and from then on, i only took it to the jumps and rode it, i didnt say fuck u bastard, its not ur road u cant tell me what to do, i respected him like any normal human being would, but i can't understand why it can't always be that easy, not we have the government making all pocket bikes illegal...bull


and u dont have to be 16 to ride a pocket bike..as long as its under 50cc...there is a cop that lives like 3 houses away from me, and he has rode my bike, and explained the law perfectly to me, he says i wont get busted as long as i keep it off of surface streets and highways, but its fine in my neighborhood...


On 26 December 2006 (12:05 PM), Nick said:

Yes i understand that i was showing disrespect to adults, but, were kids..we like to have fun, we dont all have to live under rocks because some old person cant deal with 2 seconds of noise from a pocket bike passing their house...

and yes i have reached about 61 mph on my pocket bike...you have to break it in properly for it to reach those speeds...but than again i weigh about 180 bls, and I did hallow out the muffler, and put in a silencer...dont worry im not some fat little kid trying to get his way on a forum, im speaking my mind.

LET US HAVE FUN

if u dont, it just goes to show how misunderstanding of a citizen and how bad of a father/mother your going to be, especially if you cant deal with a little bit of noise...and yes

i clearly understand my pocket bike is illegal, but i dont ride it to much elsewhere besides my neighborhood, and it has a silencer so nobody complains about me riding it, its quieter than a car...the only time i have had anyone stop and ask me to not ride around their house, because it was waking their baby, was when i was on my 250cc quad, but it had basically a follow-through muffler and it was loud as fuck...and from then on, i only took it to the jumps and rode it, i didnt say fuck u bastard, its not ur road u cant tell me what to do, i respected him like any normal human being would, but i can't understand why it can't always be that easy, not we have the government making all pocket bikes illegal...bull


and u dont have to be 16 to ride a pocket bike..as long as its under 50cc...there is a cop that lives like 3 houses away from me, and he has rode my bike, and explained the law perfectly to me, he says i wont get busted as long as i keep it off of surface streets and highways, but its fine in my neighborhood...


On 26 December 2006 (02:03 PM), Nick said:

sorry about posting 3 of the same bullitens, my computer was freakin out


On 27 December 2006 (06:50 PM), Phong said:

Hi, I am a 14 year old teenage boy that lives in CA. I've personally own 2 pocket bikes a 49cc and 110cc. I ride them everyday, my neighbors don't mind at all. Actually they find it quite amusing. I always think about others too, I never ride at night, so no one is disturbed. I never ride fast unless there are no children present or any cars. But when they are present I keep it tp a maximum of 15 mph. A motorized scooter causes much more noise than a pocket bike, I don't see any harm of us kids riding this in the streets. They are lower to the ground, means falls hurt less than a motorized scooter. They are able to control speeds with hydraulic brakes, rather then rim brakes. I believe that pocket bikes should be made legal to people that understand that they are driving a vehicle, not a bike. They need to take more precautions, but many responsible kids should be able to drive this legally.


On 27 December 2006 (11:38 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Good write up, Nick.

In general, most motorized scooters and pocket bikes are about the same as far as sound levels go, at least stock, and I'll tell you right off the bat a stock Cag is louder than your average stock motorized scooter, though, from my personal experience.

In some aspects I do agree with you about the pocketbikes being safer, but if you're standing up you also have the ability to jump off and/or roll, instead of crashing with the pocketbike on top of you, plus a scooter is much lighter and can't really end up on top of you that easily.

Not all scooters have rim brakes, either. Actually, I don't know of any with them, but I guess you mean tire brakes (what I call them), and the only ones that I know of that do are the old ADA Avengers (no longer in production), the hard-tire Go-Peds, and a few cheaper Chinese scooters you never see anymore. They'll stop you quicker than you'll ever want to, hence why so many newbies have problems getting used to how strong and sensitive their brakes are and flip over the bars so easily. Most scooters have disc brakes similar to your 49cc pocketbike, and will probably stop quicker if they're American made, due to them being higher quality and better built. You can also buy Magura Julie brakes for air-tire Go-Peds, which are top of the line hydraulic brakes widely used by BMX freestylers and mountain bike racers.


On 28 December 2006 (06:35 PM), Nick said:

thanks NFSGamerUSA

but i got my word out, and if anyone has anyhting more to say to me, say it now, because i think im done with this subject now guys....

laterrr


On 05 January 2007 (08:50 AM), Shawn said:

hello my name is shawn emery and i am the tresurer of the RCPRA, river city pocketbike racing association, we are a canadian organization and we race pocketbikes on tracks, parking lots and our objective is to get these guys off the street and onto the track. We have waivers and CMA insurance incase something goes wrong. We have rules that states you must have long sleeves durable shoes helmets with some kind of gaurd for your jaw, along with knee pads and elbow pads. The reason i am saying all of this is because if you want these people to stop riding on the streets do some research on local areas where they can ride Legally, and most importantly safer. I have a teammate who lives in Visalia California, and there are four or five tracks within 1 or 2 hours of driving. These events run all weekend, with the first day being practise and qualifying and the second day racing. from there they can go bigger and faster and step up to a liquid cooled pocketbike, then meaybe a euro pocketbike. from there and if they got the funds... they can steep up to a metra kit or NSR. In alberta canada there is a 15 year old kid names brett mccormick. he used to race pocketbikes and then moved up to metrakits and motards. then the next year after that he is racing canadian super bikes and has allready won a few races. So dont think of these guys as punks thinks of these guys as potential and help them while you are helping yourself and your neighbours.


On 05 January 2007 (08:50 AM), shawn said:

hello my name is shawn emery and i am the tresurer of the RCPRA, river city pocketbike racing association, we are a canadian organization and we race pocketbikes on tracks, parking lots and our objective is to get these guys off the street and onto the track. We have waivers and CMA insurance incase something goes wrong. We have rules that states you must have long sleeves durable shoes helmets with some kind of gaurd for your jaw, along with knee pads and elbow pads. The reason i am saying all of this is because if you want these people to stop riding on the streets do some research on local areas where they can ride Legally, and most importantly safer. I have a teammate who lives in Visalia California, and there are four or five tracks within 1 or 2 hours of driving. These events run all weekend, with the first day being practise and qualifying and the second day racing. from there they can go bigger and faster and step up to a liquid cooled pocketbike, then meaybe a euro pocketbike. from there and if they got the funds... they can steep up to a metra kit or NSR. In alberta canada there is a 15 year old kid names brett mccormick. he used to race pocketbikes and then moved up to metrakits and motards. then the next year after that he is racing canadian super bikes and has allready won a few races. So dont think of these guys as punks thinks of these guys as potential and help them while you are helping yourself and your neighbours.


On 05 January 2007 (08:59 AM), shawn said:

ok here in canada under the highways traffic act it is illegal to ride a pocketbikes on the streets THATS IT! and you can be charged up to 500 dollars and have your bikes impounded for the first offence! thats why i have all 4 of my bikes in my garage tuned and ready to race every sunday. so why have a pocketbike go down the street turn around and come back where is the fun in that? why dont you find an organization where they race bikes. nothing is more fun than riding behind the leader with just inches separating your front tire and his back tire then you get into the turn harder than hima nd you got the inside line sliding your knee on the pavement and giver on the gas on corner exit and you come out the leader! so thinka bout it and get back to me. ill be waiting.


On 05 January 2007 (07:07 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

I'm glad to see you're trying to get pocket bikers off the street! Your racing organization sounds fun! Too bad I don't have a racing organiztation near me!


On 05 January 2007 (07:07 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

I'm glad to see you're trying to get pocket bikers off the street! Your racing organization sounds fun! Too bad I don't have a racing organization near me!


On 06 January 2007 (06:56 PM), Shawn said:

where abouts do ya live NFS gamer? as well i see in a lot of your posts you reffer people to pocketbikeplanet.com PM me on there i am inthelead83 i would like to share info with ya


On 08 January 2007 (05:03 AM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Aw, I live all the way down in Birmingham, I'm not close enough to your organization to participate it, unfortunately for me. I'll drop you a PM.


On 08 January 2007 (05:05 AM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Aw, I live all the way down in Birmingham, I'm not close enough to your organization to participate it, unfortunately for me. I'll drop you a PM.


On 08 January 2007 (05:35 PM), Shawn said:

ya know what dude i searched and i searched and i couldnt come up with anything in your area. i even asked my buddy who knows everything about pb's well damn near close and there was nothing. the closest place that i could come up with was in jacksonville florida. there is an organization that races motards and everything like nsr's and metrakits but no PB's. which sucks cause the AMRA my favoirte racing leuge races motards and all of that and PB's most organizations do. OH well cant say i never tried.


On 09 January 2007 (08:26 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Yeah, there's just not much interest in the area, but thanks for trying!


On 14 January 2007 (10:29 PM), Chris Sicktrickintuner said:

WTF, y do ppl hate these things so bad with a passion. I got called on just because some old fart 3 doors down does not like me. I was just riding up and down my lil residential road and that A**hole called the cops on me!!! I was like if u have a problem come and talk with me instead of hiding behind cops. It was 2pm on a sunday afternoon on a road almost no one ever drives on. I live here in ontario canada and i dont know y they just dont leave us alone, it is just like a motorized scooter or a bicycle. I can do 50kms+ on my bicycle and they are not illegal to ride, so y dont the cops arrest me on my bicycle. -One more pissed of pocket bike rider


On 17 January 2007 (05:13 AM), NFSGamerUSA said:

God, all you guys are so disrespectful, it's no wonder why you all get in trouble. Riding up an down one street continuously for a while can really piss neighbors off, and it's quite understandable. It's a lot different when you are just riding around your neighborhood and go down that street once or twice while riding around, but riding up and down it for even 5-10 minutes will start to piss many people off. Have some respect for your neighbors, man. ;)


On 28 January 2007 (03:41 PM), Ross said:

Well, Go peds are legal if your old enough. If a goped is legal, with the same engines, why not a pocket bike? Both are upgraded to be loud and powerful. The whole "noise" issue is stupid. Whoever cares that much about that noise has issues. If you know a kid in your neiborhood with one and want to argue about nothing, talk to them at their house and ask if he could ride less or ride in a different neiborhood every once in a while. But dont ban other peoples fun becuase you can hear a light buzz for 5 minutes out of your day.

I just think that people are over-reacting over the whole thing.


On 28 January 2007 (05:22 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Go-Peds (the REAL Go-Peds) do NOT have the "same" lousy, POS, low quality, POS engines as the cheap Chinese pocketbikes. Period.

Both CAN be modified to be louder (but not purposefully, it just comes with the performance gains). Any piped Go-Ped reaches way up in the dB range, as I can hear the quietest piped Go-Ped in my neighborhood all the way from its owner's house, about a 1/4 mile away. Mine is at least over 100 dB, and I have a center-bleed pipe (the stinger is in the middle of the expansion chamber). The end bleed pipes, like on all pocketbikes I've seen along with some made for Go-Peds, are MUCH louder, but most aftermarket pocketbike pipes have a muffler of some sort that comes with the pipe. All of these small-engined, two-stroke machines are quite loud, but as you said, Ross, it shouldn't be a problem if you only go down a street once or twice, but consistantly riding up and down the same street is what gets annoying and is probably the cause of all of these scooter bans throughout the US and Europe.


On 28 January 2007 (05:23 PM), shawn said:

hey chris dude where about do you live in ontario cause there are oh say about 5 leuges in ontario! you got sutton toronto thunderbay ect. ect. here are a couple links for ya

www.ktoracing.ca
www.opbrl.ca


On 28 January 2007 (09:22 PM), BFRPockets said:

I love Pocket Bikes, I have rode them and love it. You tell me why you haters always have to cause a problem, with Hummers, "gas-guzzlers", the neighbor's dog, etc. If I want to risk my life by riding something that goes 60-70 mph in between my legs and squatted down, SO BE IT, it's none of your business. I'm not saying safety isn't a priority, but EVERYTHING HAS A RISK. You won't buy your kid a pocket bike, but they turn 16 and you turn around and buy a Mazda RX-8 or similar. I didn't see you hesitate one bit in buying that vehicle, where as a 1/83 chance applies that he/she will have an accident that will cause him/her to be disabled.

THIS IS AMERICA, DON'T SCREW IT UP FOR THE REST OF US. YOU ARE ALREADY CAUSING COMMUNISM!!!
Until you have ridden one, don't say you don't like it because of the sound, I asked a county police officer, he said they probably wouldn't care as long as I am safe around the traffic and no crackling Harley-Davidson muffler. How can they be illegal when the police don't enforce a law that isn't concrete? Don't screw this up, too, just like you guys did with firecrackers in my state. One of these days you people may learn this "...Crap doesn't stink until you play in it...". If I got three or four fingers blown off with a "cherry bomb", I might quit throwing cherry bombs.

PLEASE WISE UP, DON'T HATE, IF YOU HAVEN'T TRIED IT OR IF SOMEBODY HAS SOMETHING YOU DON'T.


On 30 January 2007 (08:15 PM), BingoBu said:

BFRPockets, you rock! :~)

I so totally agree with you.

Crap doesn't stink until you play in it..., bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! I love it!


On 05 February 2007 (07:16 PM), shawn said:

what is up with all of you punks riding on the street and ruining it for us! yes i mean the people who actually race these! ok i am the RCPRA treasurer and RCPRA liquid cooled pocketbike champion and one thing i hate is you guys who buy a cag for 300 bucks and ride up and down the street! our goal at the rcpra is to get everyone off the streets and into some gear and on a track! the first thing i did when i bought my first bike was took it apart checked it out put it back together to break it in at THE RACE TRACK! i have travelled across canada to race! and have done very well i now own 4 bikes including the same ol same ol cag c1 c2 and a blata b1 origami! ok now if ya need help finding a local pocketbike leauge ask me i know many places and if i dont i know the people who do!


On 06 February 2007 (02:24 PM), Nathan (pro Pocket bikes) said:

Well, I've read a lot of the posts and i agree alot with pocket rider.

P.B. should not be banned ENTIRELY

*ORDERS TWO POCKET BIKES


On 08 February 2007 (06:49 PM), Shawn said:

yes ok PB's Should not be banned entirely JUST BANNED FOR BEING USED ON THE ROAD! ok since i really hate people who ride their PB's on the road i would give them 2 life sentences with no parole!


On 07 March 2007 (12:48 AM), Baratacus said:

A pocket bike riders head isn't visible at window height. No matter how many times its said it seems to be overlooked by the angy pocket bike street rider. Most likely it's because they're too young to drive a car and have no understanding about the responsibilities and liabilities of a person driving a legally registered and licensed motor vehicle.

example, a person in a car wants to make a right turn. they signal and check to make sure the way is clear. The pocket bike is net to the car but the driver can't see it. Right turn, dead 12 year old kid. Who's fault? The driver of the car. Even though the pocket bike was illegal, and didn't belong on the street, the driver of the car will be charged with Involuntary man slaughter, unsafe turn or lane change, and have an accident on their driving record.
Take your bike to the track. Don't ruin the sport for the rest of us.


On 07 March 2007 (12:50 AM), Baratacus said:

A pocket bike riders head isn't visible at window height. No matter how many times its said it seems to be overlooked by the angy pocket bike street rider. Most likely it's because they're too young to drive a car and have no understanding about the responsibilities and liabilities of a person driving a legally registered and licensed motor vehicle.

example, a person in a car wants to make a right turn. they signal and check to make sure the way is clear. The pocket bike is net to the car but the driver can't see it. Right turn, dead 12 year old kid. Who's fault? The driver of the car. Even though the pocket bike was illegal, and didn't belong on the street, the driver of the car will be charged with Involuntary man slaughter, unsafe turn or lane change, and have an accident on their driving record.
Take your bike to the track. Don't ruin the sport for the rest of us.


On 07 March 2007 (08:12 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Well said, Baratacus! ;)


On 13 March 2007 (06:01 AM), zaheer said:

umm can sum1 tell me where to get a silencer or how to make one cause these frikin australian cops keep on looking out for us cause sum grupy old fuk keeps on complaining


On 13 March 2007 (05:51 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Go to PocketBikePlanet.com, they can help you out.


On 22 March 2007 (09:55 PM), Shawn said:

HEY! ZAHEER! GET OFF THE STREET! GET ONTO A TRACK! WAY BETTER AND MORE FUN! Whats the point of flooring it down your bay infront of your house stopping tunring around and flooring it back, im sorry it just does not add up in my mind. If you get onto a track then you will have some of the greatest moments of your life and stories to tell to your children someday I KNOW I WILL! here is a link to a australian pocket bike forum PLEASE GO ON IT!

http://www.pocket-bike-racing.com.au/forum/


On 27 March 2007 (06:28 PM), LiL Khmai3 said:

i am thinking of getting one and see no problem with riding it, cars are a thousnads times more dangerous and when u look at the pocket rocket it doesnt seem so dangerous, just depends who is rding it i aslo wanna noe what the legal limit in colorado, aurora 49cc, 55cc, 110cc i was thinking of getting a 110cc but not sure and im talking about residential not main roads plz contact me at crazyazian_303@yahoo.com


On 30 March 2007 (05:04 AM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Cars are NOT more dangerous that pocket bikes. They have air bigs, crumple zones, seat belts, you name it. Plus, cars have a very hard time seeing people on pocket bikes because they're so small and so low to the ground, which also makes it very unsafe for you to ride on the street.


On 31 March 2007 (06:52 PM), DuDuFLabR said:

Ive been reading the whole page for about qn hour now and agreed w/ some and dissagreed w/ most.

Im only 14, ill be 15 next week but ive been riding 50cc pocket bikes the last two summers on residential streets, main roads, and any other kind of street not being freeway...
Cops see me around the whole day and they have actually become sort of "friends" w/ me...
I ride wearing a helmet, my pocket bike does have lights, and horn...
I live on a Big City, (Quincy,Ma), just off South Boston...
If these pocket bikes were really so Dangerous and so Illegal im sure i wouldnt have both the pocket bikes i have today...
It's just a fun way of transportation, and living... RESPONSIBLY


On 31 March 2007 (06:53 PM), DuDuFLabR said:

Ive been reading the whole page for about qn hour now and agreed w/ some and dissagreed w/ most.

Im only 14, ill be 15 next week but ive been riding 50cc pocket bikes the last two summers on residential streets, main roads, and any other kind of street not being freeway...
Cops see me around the whole day and they have actually become sort of "friends" w/ me...
I ride wearing a helmet, my pocket bike does have lights, and horn...
I live on a Big City, (Quincy,Ma), just off South Boston...
If these pocket bikes were really so Dangerous and so Illegal im sure i wouldnt have both the pocket bikes i have today...
It's just a fun way of transportation, and living... RESPONSIBLY


On 31 March 2007 (06:56 PM), DuDuFLabR said:

Ive been reading the whole page for about qn hour now and agreed w/ some and dissagreed w/ most.

Im only 14, ill be 15 next week but ive been riding 50cc pocket bikes the last two summers on residential streets, main roads, and any other kind of street not being freeway...
Cops see me around the whole day and they have actually become sort of "friends" w/ me...
I ride wearing a helmet, my pocket bike does have lights, and horn...
I live on a Big City, (Quincy,Ma), just off South Boston...
If these pocket bikes were really so Dangerous and so Illegal im sure i wouldnt have both the pocket bikes i have today...
It's just a fun way of transportation, and living... RESPONSIBLY

NE ways, I MOSTLY AGREED WITH "POCKET RIDER"...


On 31 March 2007 (06:58 PM), DuDuFLabR said:

(accidently posted 3 times because of an error message)


On 02 April 2007 (07:04 PM), kofi said:

hello i got a question. last summer i broke my pocketbike seat ( at the end of the pocketbike seat before the part that goes over the exhaust pipe) i need to know home to fix it useing house hold items


On 05 April 2007 (08:25 PM), 90GTVert said:

I realise this is an old topic, however felt I had to comment as a pocket/midbike enthusiast.

I'm 27 years old, and I enjoy little bikes. I also own a 50cc street legal scooter. I have a motorcycle permit, and am working towards my license. Even after being on street legal scooters and a 600cc bike, I want to get back on a pocketbike. There is nothing quite like it.

I will agree, they can be annoying to neighbors. They are also unsafe, in the wrong hands. I've done more than my share of knucklehead stunts, but when operated in a controlled environment, the safety level all depends on the rider. They are not meant for street use, but sure can be a lot of fun in a yard or parking lot.

My advice to other riders would be to look for secluded spots. If you must ride near houses, pay attention to the people's reactions. I have an area near my house where people sit on their porch and enjoy watching. In other areas it is made apparent you aren't welcome. Choose your riding spots wisely.

This isn't rocket science. Be as respectful as possible in the area you ride. If someone complains, start looking for a new spot.

To the anti-pocketbike-crowd, voice your complaints in a respectful manner. Yelling at someone before being rational and level-headed is not the proper course of action, and likely to yeild little, or no, result. We're all human beings, driving a pocketbike doesn't change that.

This is somewhat off-topic, but just to worry some of the conservatives a little more...
There is now an X-18 midbike (which everyone seems to classify a pocketbike anyway) capable of over 100mph, GPS verified.


On 08 April 2007 (07:34 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Thanks for making an excellent comment, 90GTVert, I never thought you'd even find this place. Also, is this you in this video here? If so, how modified is your bike in the video? http://www.pocket-bikes-wholesale.com/video.wmv

Kofi, I'm not sure what you need fixing, you can probably buy a new seat depending on the model (link us to a picture of what your bike is like). If you mean the seat is cracked or something, then it should still work okay, just duct tape it or something.


On 09 April 2007 (07:46 PM), Shawn said:

yo GTVert dude, instead of picming your spots wisely WHY DONT YOU GO AND FIND A PLACE TO RACE THEM! if there isnt anywaywhere THEN MAKE A PLACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im sorry but i can't just can't stress on this enough!!!! i am the RCPRA treasurer and our #1 i repeat our #1 goal is to get these guys off the street and onto the track with the proper gear, i gaurantee it is much more fun then going up and down some street by yourself pissing everyone off. go to these 2 sites

www.pocketbikeforum.com where we can help you and everyone else further and also go to

www.rcpra.net to read about our organization and how to start your own if you have to. you do not need a real track just a parking lot with some pylons HECK THATS WHAT WE STILL DO HALF THE TIME! so please go to them

www.pocketbikeforum.com

www.rcpra.net


On 11 April 2007 (02:08 PM), nigel said:

are u a millionaire


On 11 April 2007 (02:09 PM), nigel said:

are u a millionaire


On 18 April 2007 (10:00 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Hey Shawn, I coul be wrong but my guess is that it's legal for him, especially since he's an adult and has a motorcyle license. Even if it isn't legal for him, at least he's responsable (unlike the majority of these kids) and has the motorcycle license to prove he actually took a test to prove him able and intelligent enough to ride a bike.


On 22 April 2007 (08:21 AM), shawn said:

still it is illegal none the less, why not go aproach parking lot owners say hey can we race here make up a waiver and invite other pocket bike enthusiasts. But no one here wants to take my advice fine, IM GONE CYA! IM DONE WITH THIS FORUM! if you still want advice from me i am on many pocket bike forums if i find one i join it! my screen name is inthelead83 but like i said before everyone here accept NFSgamer pisses me off. goodbye


On 08 May 2007 (06:51 AM), chris said:

why are people complaining about how small these things are, just get outta your suv's and ride one of these things then you will see the point. Everyone who dislikes these bikes has never ridden one so STOP COMPLAINING!!!!!! You cant say you dont like it if you have never tryed it, so go out to the road and ask the kid goin by on a pocket bike and ask to ride it!!! Then you can judge, cause if it was just noise then all weedeaters, chainsaws and gas blowers would be banned cause they are just as loud as a pocket bike and i have never seen a cop show up just because someone was running there weedeater during the day!.


On 08 May 2007 (06:52 AM), chris said:

why are people complaining about how small these things are, just get outta your suv's and ride one of these things then you will see the point. Everyone who dislikes these bikes has never ridden one so STOP COMPLAINING!!!!!! You cant say you dont like it if you have never tryed it, so go out to the road and ask the kid goin by on a pocket bike and ask to ride it!!! Then you can judge, cause if it was just noise then all weedeaters, chainsaws and gas blowers would be banned cause they are just as loud as a pocket bike and i have never seen a cop show up just because someone was running there weedeater during the day!.


On 24 May 2007 (09:37 AM), 90GTVert said:

The video NFSGamerUSA posted is mine. I'm not the one driving the bike though. That was shortly after he first got the bike, and there are no parking lots here with that type of space. I'm sure everyone hates seeing it on the street, but what's done is done. That bike had exhaust, rear sprocket, and carb tuning. That's the video everyone steals from me to sell x18s.

Since then, the scooter is the only thing driving on the shoulder. The pocket bike is not legal on the rd in my area, and i'd prefer to keep my license.

By the way, I've been riding these for a few years now, some rather loud, not one complaint from a neighbor. If they did call, I'd prob do just what chris said, and call the police the next time they hop on the riding mower. I've got a few acres of yard to ride in, same as he's riding the mower in his yard. That's non-stop full throttle for a couple hours. Maybe next I'll complain about his dog barking, and then him calling the dog too loudly. His truck is a little loud when it starts up. When he cuts grass and blows it in the road it could injure a scooterist or motorcyclist, anyone that's driven one knows that. Perhaps I should call him in for attempted murder, because he knows I drive by everyday.

In case it wasn't obvious, I am trying to make a simple point. We can pick apart everything and be bitter, or we can enjoy life. You be bitter, I'm going to live.


On 27 May 2007 (05:58 PM), Lil T said:

Pocketbikes are just a better way of having fun you know its better than going out on Fiday nights drinking, partying an getting killed to all the people...the kids are jus trying to have fun and to the SUV drivers........why won't you jus drive like a regular person and not like a maniac..and i hate trampolines!!!!!!!!!!


On 27 May 2007 (05:58 PM), Lil T said:

Pocketbikes are just a better way of having fun you know its better than going out on Fiday nights drinking, partying an getting killed to all the people...the kids are jus trying to have fun and to the SUV drivers........why won't you jus drive like a regular person and not like a maniac..and i hate trampolines!!!!!!!!!!


On 27 May 2007 (05:58 PM), Lil T said:

Pocketbikes are just a better way of having fun you know its better than going out on Fiday nights drinking, partying an getting killed to all the people...the kids are jus trying to have fun and to the SUV drivers........why won't you jus drive like a regular person and not like a maniac..and i hate trampolines!!!!!!!!!!


On 31 May 2007 (05:18 PM), need for speed 40mph said:

You old farts! Why do you think I bought a pocket bike for 380 dollars. Now lets see, oh I remember, TO RIDE ON THE DAMN STREET! They are not noisy either because they have quietly tuned exhausts so take that you old broads.

It is also bull-crap that it is illeagle to ride on the sidewalk. I mean its no different riding 20 mph on a pocket bike than riding 20 mph on a bicycle.

You guys are really taking this over the top!


On 31 May 2007 (05:56 PM), NFSGamerUSA said:

Actually, I didn't post it, 90GTVert, that Adam kid did, but excellent point made. ;)


On 03 June 2007 (02:11 PM), marshall kovach said:

okeyits time an actual kid speaks up.(1) DAVE you said most pocket bike drivers are bad ass kids that rip around and piss people off! well your wrong smart a*$. iam 14 years old and ive had my pocket bike for 1 year and i am vary couses. if i see people around me i stay away from them, i dont ride at night(thats just wrong), and i am safe with it always where a motor cycle helmet not a bike helmet a motor cycle helmet. and if any body starts complaning about the noise well go f*$k your self because gas powered hege trimers ar atually a lot louder because the have no silencer on them.i live in kitchener ontario canada a pocket bikes are band here but its really stupid because theres no where they let you drive them so people just dicide that they have to break the law and drive them any way.but this pocket bike law is starting to really starting to f*$kin piss me off because there is no reason for this they should just say; get thi type of exgust silencer and only drive on these paths and its not like there poluting the envronment or any thing. they spit out about .001% of wahat a car polutes and they use a little tank of gas wich lasts for weeks. ive only had to fill it up maby 10 time and i use it alot! please government get the law straght because kid like me which spend $300 on something the government says we cant even start in are front yard arnt going to give a sh*t any more and even if theres a law were going to still drive them.


On 05 June 2007 (12:16 PM), Queston said:

I don't have a liscense what can I do to get anywhere, it was taken away. I have to go through the embarasment of riding this poketbike through my town. I'm not going back to jail. the fastest one is 70mph! I tried to pay money, but the courts wont eccept my money, they want me to do time. Fu$# that! this world is so complicated. Does anyone have advice or other choices for me. Jail is not an option! Don't be surprized to see me flyin by at 70mph 1 foot from the ground! that sounds crazy!!! well thats what time does to you, but I am a good person at heart! just angry HELP!


On 07 June 2007 (07:25 PM), George said:

I have two pocket bikes my self, and I fixed them and modified them, but I can never get to ride them! I think there should be a law which allows for the riding of pocket bikes in certain places, and at certain times due to the noise it makes. Im am in fact a 16 year old kid who likes to have fun, but not do something dangerous and hert myself. I relize how dangareous these can be in an uncontroled enviroment and thats why I think there should be places such as parks where these bikes can be ridin safely.


On 07 June 2007 (07:26 PM), George said:

I have two pocket bikes my self, and I fixed them and modified them, but I can never get to ride them! I think there should be a law which allows for the riding of pocket bikes in certain places, and at certain times due to the noise it makes. Im am in fact a 16 year old kid who likes to have fun, but not do something dangerous and hert myself. I relize how dangerous these can be in an uncontroled enviroment and thats why I think there should be places such as parks where these bikes can be ridin safely.


On 15 June 2007 (01:50 PM), michael said:

well there are pocket bikes fully equipped with brake lights, turn signals, and a horn. i currently own 3 of these fully equipped bikes they are 110ccs and incredily fast(65mph) with my mods. and if i didnt have these bikes and fell off numerous times i wouldnt know or have any limits and would be just a menace. every generation has something that the generation before them dislikes. for our generation its pocket bikes. you guys are complaining. if u were considered as a menace and nuisance u might not be the same people. what i am saying is u werent stopped from doing what u wanted to do when u were young so why stop us? pocket biking will continue whether or not u like it. do you prefer us spend our money on beer or drugs? pocket bikes arent just fun they are also a form of hands on education.


On 15 June 2007 (01:52 PM), michael said:

well there are pocket bikes fully equipped with brake lights, turn signals, and a horn. i currently own 3 of these fully equipped bikes they are 110ccs and incredily fast(65mph) with my mods. and if i didnt have these bikes and fell off numerous times i wouldnt know or have any limits and would be just a menace. every generation has something that the generation before them dislikes. for our generation its pocket bikes. you guys are complaining. if u were considered as a menace and nuisance u might not be the same people. what i am saying is u werent stopped from doing what u wanted to do when u were young so why stop us? pocket biking will continue whether or not u like it. do you prefer us spend our money on beer or drugs? pocket bikes arent just fun they are also a form of hands on education.


On 17 June 2007 (04:03 PM), james said:

i agree with michael on this pocket bike problem as you people call it. i own 2 110cc bikes that are stock. i bought them when i was 17 with my own money that i earned so i was not a spoiled child. yes they are loud but there a blast to ride and it gets kids outside and doing something other than sitting around watching tv. ive learned alot about 2 strock motors and four strock motors because of them. so im leanring. so stop complaining about people being outside ejoying life. life is ment to be enjoyed. you only live once so enjoy it.


On 24 June 2007 (12:36 PM), pocketownerrrrrr said:

i agree with not being aloud to ride them on the main streets.... but in abandoned parking lots?? what about allyways??? cmon


On 24 June 2007 (12:36 PM), pocketownerrrrrr said:

i agree with not being aloud to ride them on the main streets.... but in abandoned parking lots?? what about allyways??? cmon


On 02 July 2007 (06:55 PM), bill said:

i dont get why pocket bikes are illegal, im trying to save up but the day i get enough money i find out that there illegal. i dont have that much land so there would be no point to just buy it to ride on 5 by 5 square piece of grass.
peace =(


On 02 July 2007 (06:57 PM), bill said:

i dont get why pocket bikes are illegal, im trying to save up but the day i get enough money i find out that there illegal. i dont have that much land so there would be no point to just buy it to ride on 5 by 5 square piece of grass.
peace =(


On 09 July 2007 (06:58 PM), Hic said:

This is why I don't like most people from our previous generation. *MOST* of them are stubborn and are blinded to the fact that drinking and driving, drugs...etc are much worser than pocket bikes. They're simply jealous that they didn't get this kind of fun when they were younger. I asked my aunt to buy me a pocketbike in California 2 years ago, and I wasn't a spoiled brat like what those government people are saying. I paid my aunt back the first day she came to visit me, but I found out that it was very difficult to bring it from California to Canada. I've waited patiently for 2 whole years, and I still didn't recieve it yet. My parents promised me that I can fly to US this August by myself and bring it back, but now I don't really want to go. Many people are saying these bikes aren't supposed to be ridden on the streets, and I'm very aware of this, but there are several parks and abandoned places that allow these bikes for me to play at. I'm only 15 years old, I really love bikes because they're cheap and fast, pollutes less than cars and they save alot of money on gas. I had a job delivering newspapers and I worked extremely hard for a whole year, just to save up enough to buy the pocketbike. When I don't delivery on time, those damn bastards sent complaints about me. I had to work very hard, carrying a whole stack of paper. You don't even have to f*cking pay me to do it for you, WHAT KIND OF F*CKING POSITION ARE YOU IN TO F*CKING COMPLAIN ABOUT IT. F*CK I HAD TO WORK DURING THOSE HOT SUMMERS, THE SUN WAS BURNING ON MY BACK, CARRYING THOSE PAPERS *UPHILL*. F*CK YES I HAD TO DELIVER TO 2 STREETS AND ONE OF THEM WAS A F*CKING HILL, AND IF I DONT PLACE THEM ON THEIR NICE RACK THEY COMPLAIN. THEY THINK THEY QUEEN AND KING IM NOT THEIR SLAVE GOD I SWEAR ONE DAY I'LL GO SHOOT THEM WITH MY BB GUN I F*CKING SWEAR I KILL THEM. AND WHEN A WHITE KID DELIVERS THEM LATE FOR DAYS, THEY DONT GIVE A F*CKING SH*T!!!!! I WORK H-F*CK WHY AM I EVEN WASTING MY TIME HERE MAYBE THE ONES WHOS READING THIS IS ALSO ONE OF THEM, DESPISING ME F*CK YOU ALL!


On 09 July 2007 (07:36 PM), Hic said:

Sorry everyone I shouldn't have sweared so many times, sorry, but I was really mad when I thought back to those times when my work was never apprieciated. Put yourself in my shoes, they don't have to pay and yet they're complaining. I'm just a kid, yes it's a horrible excuse, but they never thought about me. I've had frequent injuries when doing the paper route, expecially in the winter and fall because it rained alot. I've slipped many times on the hill, I've wiped out before going down the hill with my papers while riding my bike. The people aren't aware of this, they don't care, they were spoiled brats when they were young, they got their allowance, I don't. They think I'm getting billions for doing this job, I don't. I worked a whole year to earn approx. $400 CAD. I knew it was not worth it, but it was the only way for a 12-13 year old to earn money here. I sacraficed alot just to buy that pocketbike. Was it really worth it?... To deliver heavy inky papers house to house, scorched by the sun during summer, drowned in unforgiven winds and rain, abused by merciless blizzards in the winter while others are having fun in their heavenly houses, drinking hot chocolate laughing at me as I walk by. It was the worst experience I've ever had in my life, to sacrafice so much. The weather was just the beginning, the constant complaints echoes through my mind even today. I really felt bad, I really want to ... kill them. I loathe people from the previous generation because of this, many people nowadays are led to suicidal attempts from the torments of these adults. I'm not saying adults are bad, but the ones I've met are unforgivable. I doubt any of you will agree with me, you may even think I'm crazy, sometimes I think I'm crazy too. There are too many people on this world today, that thinks everyone else is happier and luckier than they are. They are very wrong. I dropped by the water park last month, and I thought to myself, "all this water, why is it being wasted? Do you know how many people in this world are suffering from lack of water?" I felt really bad inside because I live in such a shameful country. The people here are fat and greedy, they have so much, but their intelligence is 0. In Europe, Asia...and many other continents, the education is less stressful, they're even smarter. Why are Americans so ... unsuccesful? The people here are mean, selfish, greedy and unhappy. I know these kinds of people are everywhere around the world, but in America, these kinds of people are abundant. No wonder the Virginia Tech Massacre occured. The murderer must've felt like me, tormented repeatedly, and eventually he became mad. The society is creating more and more maniacs, people with phycological problems, and the only ones to blame is themselves.


On 09 July 2007 (08:49 PM), Hic said:

I've read many arguments and people that want pocketbikes to be banned are ones that follow everything by the book and ones who want them to stay just wants a little bit of fun. This is MY opinion. Btw, sorry for posting to many times but I'm bored and I'm interested in this subject. If you think more deeply, the main reasons I've heard about pocketbikes being unwanted on the roads are these .
1.) Noisy, they irritate some people
2.) Dangerous, drivers can't see them because they're too low and it causes danger for pedestrians and motorists.

1.)Okay, I agree that pocketbikes are noisy and it irritates people. Noise irritates me alot too. But how OFTEN do you hear these bikes near your home? I live in Canada, and there's a place that sells pocketbikes a few miles away from me and I hear those pocketbikes RARELY. Like this year I've heard them only 5 times. Does that really bother you? Maybe you live in a place that has many riders, and I understand that. But as long as they're not on public roads it's fine because those people are only having fun. You should be grateful that they're following the rules because the majority of the people that ride these bikes break the law. If someone is constantly riding them on public roads and it's becoming a nuisance, then you can complain. I don't complain when my next door neighbors use the chainsaw to cut down the tree and create noise, because he's big and looks scary and I'm only a kid, but the main reason is that my neighbor was doing something that wasn't meant to harm anyone.

2.) How often do you personally see people getting hurt on these bikes? Here's a fact, many people are dying due to car accidents everyday, why aren't they banned? I've NEVER heard of someone dying because of pocketbikes and yet you say they're dangerous? And not only car accidents, there are also many other things in this world that causes death, and it's not fun either. Pocketbikes are fun, and riders dont die as often as car drivers. Why don't we ban cars instead of pocketbikes? Why won't the government spend more time controlling drugs instead of wasting hours and hours trying to find ways that can make a boy's life more miserable? Why don't all of you that complain about pocketbikes go find a site about controlling drugs and talk there? Why are you all so blind? WHY?????


On 09 July 2007 (09:05 PM), Why can't old people go on with the evolution of society said:

What is wrong with you people. They are just small bikes, quit your crying. You people make me sick. It's your fault we have so many laws in this country! And it's your fault I am writing this! You should be ashamed of yourselves, you dirty rotten people! If I got a penny for every time I had to write this, I would have like 32 pennies!!!


On 09 July 2007 (10:59 PM), Hic said:

When I get my pocket bike I'm going to 70km/h in the park.


On 10 July 2007 (11:39 PM), Johny said:

When I get my pocket bike I'm going to take the muffler off.


On 11 July 2007 (03:58 PM), Hic said:

When I get my pocket bike I'm going to get chased down by cops.


On 15 July 2007 (09:19 PM), Hic said:

Tyvm, pocketbikes aren't fun if you don't get to be chased down by cops. I like the adrenaline rush =)


On 01 August 2007 (02:20 PM), LU said:

Everyone's comments are valuable I must first say. Humans have a funny sense of what is safe or what is permissable. Ihave seen many things that have started off as Sacrilege, yet has become common practice. Husband and wife sleeping in separate beds. Yes this used to be common practice. My, how this has changed with sleeping in the same bed has become acceptable. Singing up tempo songs in church. Wow, what a revalation. It used to be against God or someones will to sing and dance spiritedly, which is now the practice today. Riding pocket bikes is no different. People are just not accepting of them now. There are more people dying from cancer and diabetes than riding pocket bikes. These are measurable statistics. SUV's. I would venture to say that the majority of owners are single adults who buy them for show. They are no more than gas guzzling monsters, which spend most of their time in parking lots at work, moreso than mudding or going off-road (which is their inherent purpose). Visibility is poor in them and they don't make great family vehicles. I owned two (never again). They drive totally different from cars, which would explain why there are far more accidents in them due to people not learning how to drive in them before they pay for a driver's license. People fly around curves in them like they are in a road hugging Enzo. Riding any size motor cycle is safe, it's those individuals in cars who don't respect traffic laws that cause the problems. Talking on a cell phone, driving too closely, putting on make-up, eating a burger all while looking for a CD in the mid-compartment. Psychological studies have quantitative evidence showing that our attention can only focus on one thing at a time. A motor cycle forces one to pay attention to driving and nothing else. Whereas in a car you have unlimited distractors.


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On 14 August 2007 (04:36 PM), brandon said:

here in south dakota there street and sidewalk legal i hate fing cops in big cities there a holes

ride on !!!!!


On 21 August 2007 (09:44 AM), cat eye said:

i can see rideing up in down a street being a pain in the ass,but to get around town useing this bike is super good with the gas price thes days.people just need to mod them so they arnt loud and where a helmet thats all.all you old heater need to shut ypur traps and deal with it this is usa land of free and brave! yall sound link a bunch of snopz! there are cars way louder then the pocket bikes and moter cycles so get over it! its a fun hobbie go bitch about the war in iraq ! and leave the kids alone! @ least there not gang banging or doing drugz! go worrie about the matters @ hand oil wars! !!!!!!! or move out the city and run to the hillz =[


On 21 August 2007 (09:46 AM), cat eye said:

i can see rideing up in down a street being a pain in the ass,but to get around town useing this bike is super good with the gas price thes days.people just need to mod them so they arnt loud and where a helmet thats all.all you old heater need to shut ypur traps and deal with it this is usa land of free and brave! yall sound link a bunch of snopz! there are cars way louder then the pocket bikes and moter cycles so get over it! its a fun hobbie go bitch about the war in iraq ! and leave the kids alone! @ least there not gang banging or doing drugz! go worrie about the matters @ hand oil wars! !!!!!!! or move out the city and run to the hillz =[


On 21 August 2007 (09:46 AM), cat eye said:

i can see rideing up in down a street being a pain in the ass,but to get around town useing this bike is super good with the gas price thes days.people just need to mod them so they arnt loud and where a helmet thats all.all you old heater need to shut ypur traps and deal with it this is usa land of free and brave! yall sound link a bunch of snopz! there are cars way louder then the pocket bikes and moter cycles so get over it! its a fun hobbie go bitch about the war in iraq ! and leave the kids alone! @ least there not gang banging or doing drugz! go worrie about the matters @ hand oil wars! !!!!!!! or move out the city and run to the hillz =[


On 26 August 2007 (11:36 AM), Justin said:

Fuck you bitches kiss my ass ill ride down ur street


On 15 November 2007 (07:22 PM), team gorilla racing said:

if we all hate them then then why are the so popular? old farts seem not to like noise sooo....eat my 3.5 inch exhaust v8 camaro!!! it eats ozone


On 15 November 2007 (07:24 PM), team gorilla racing said:

if we all hate them then then why are the so popular? old farts seem not to like noise sooo....eat my 3.5 inch exhaust v8 camaro!!! it eats ozone


On 15 November 2007 (07:24 PM), team gorilla racing said:

if we all hate them then then why are the so popular? old farts seem not to like noise sooo....eat my 3.5 inch exhaust v8 camaro!!! it eats ozone


On 18 January 2008 (03:46 PM), Antoha said:

If you think pocket bikes are loud and annoying, how come you don't give a crap about your lawn mowers that are two times as loud. And how come you guys don't complain about the Mexicans civic?


On 18 January 2008 (03:59 PM), pocket moto racing said:

NOISY AND ANOYING? I GIVE A SH*T ABOUT YOUR GAY NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOUR STUPID FRIEND AND HIS SUV


On 20 January 2008 (07:45 AM), People that ruin everything suck said:

J.D. u are so god damn stupid there not big, thats why they call them pocket bikes


On 08 February 2008 (08:35 AM), MM said:

So much noise because of pocket bikes? Of course some people does not have anything important to worry about in this crazy, crazy world...Which is actually a pretty scaring thought...
Besides, the pocket bikes from RAZOR, mentioned by Time Magazine, are electric! That means no noise at all!


On 09 February 2008 (04:59 AM), Jeremy said:

I ride my pocket bike on the street and I am very smart about. i have been riding it to the local dump because the have paved circle there perfect for racing. Eventually the cops causght me and my freinds but are now giving us specail permision to ride at the dump. And I pay for all my bike with my own money.


On 01 March 2008 (05:47 PM), MC said:

If you look at the laws, holding down a car horn or like others said, blasting car speakers through a neighborhood is DISTURBANCE OF PEACE and is illegal. If neighbors wanted, they could call the cops and say that there is a loud car driving around making obnoxious noise and disturbance while trying to sleep. if thats illegal, then why the hell should a little runtsized gas powered streetbike be illegal in neighborhoods. sure on public streets because traffic may be heavy, but neighborhoods are quiet and the bike, if not reved, will just cruise along. Bikes make the most noise when the biker is revvng the engine. Its total bull that 60 year old people are complaining over kids having a little fun. It would be like a dog barking all day. should that be illegal now too. The neighbors could always just ask the rider to take it in some other part of the neiborhood instead of causing a huge fuss. And its not like people who own atvs and dirtbikes are complained too much about for noise. And think about this. Even if they are a little dangerous, 1.)you only live once so why not take a few chances once in a while. 2.) They'll get the kids outta the house for a little and let them get some energy. However, i do agree that kids who are irresponsible and disrespectful do ruin it for everyone else. I'm only 14 but since i'm around adults alot at the golf course, i've learned to become much more respectful and not talk back. I certainly loook forward to making my purchase on the pocket rocket GP-MX3 bike this april-may depending on once i earn enough money!


On 12 May 2008 (03:20 PM), Lawrence said:

Everyone should look at the larger picture and not their own selfish wants. When cars were first introduced the were a loud problem that no one wanted around their houses. It scared the horses on the roads. But look at us now, we only ride the horses for fun and the cars have taken over. So because it is new and you have trouble adapting does not mean we should just ban these gas saving mini motos. It should be like any other technology and should be properly regulated. I plan to pick one of the mid size bikes to save gas for the summer and to save on insurance. In these hard and trying times of gas conversation and high prices we should ban the S.U.V.s and the 8 cylinder vehicles before we ban these bikes. But that would be a sacrifice for those who have pretty much pledged in their large vehicles to be anti-green, and we all know they won't give anything up. They just expect everyone else to!


On 21 May 2008 (01:53 PM), nelz said:

Yeah, I find the pocket bikes make an awful annoying buzz, but thats the general nature of a 2 stroke engine, and it's not that loud, just annoying. But one thing I never see people complain about, and they make the absoulte most noise as far as any bike goes, the Harleys. It seems people like to blanket judge everyone who uses them. There are lots of jerks who ride big bikes, and lots of jerks nearly running down people on pedal bikes, the pocket bikes are no exception. Last thing, safety! Lots of people using them don't seem to think they need the same safety equipment a normal bike, they do, speed + skin + pavement = bad.


On 08 June 2008 (09:51 PM), Duane said:

OK PEOPLE ITS ALL ABOUT BEING RESPONSIBLE.I FEEL THERE ARE SOME POCKET BIKES THAT SHOULDNT BE ON THE STREET AND SOME THAT SHOULD. 50cc-47cc BIKE USE 2 CYCLE MOTORS AND DONT GO FASTER THAN 30-35MPH. THESE BIKE DONT COME WITH TURN SIGNALS,HEADLIGHTS OR BREAKLIGHTS(THE ONES THAT DO ARENT TALL ENOUGH OR FAST ENOUGH FOR SAFE HWY USE!!)BUT!!!!SUPER POCKET BIKES ARE TWICE THE SIZE!!THEY HAVE 4 STROKE MOTORS 110cc-125cc OR GREATER. THESE "POCKET BIKES HAVE THE SAME cc'S AS MOST LEGAL MOPEDS AND THEY CAN TOP SPEEDS OF 75-90MPH.THEY GET 65 MILES PER GALLON!!THEY COME WITH ALL THE TRN SIGNAL LIGHTS,HEADLIGHTS(HI AND LO BEAM)AND BREAK LIGHTS.THE X-18,X-19,AND INTERCEPTER SUPER POCKET BIKES MET EPA SAFETY STANDARDS...THE SMALLER ONES DONT...THERE IS A DIFFFERENC PEOPLE!! IF 110cc MOPEDS ARE LEGAL, THEN SO SHOULD SUPER POCKET BIKES WITH THE SAME 110cc motor!!IT SEEMS LIKE SOME PEOPLE RESPONDING TO THIS THREAD JUST THROW ALL POCKET BIKES IN THE SAME BOX.USE A LITTLE COMMON SENCE!!..ITS NOT RIGHT THAT FOLKS WHO RIDE SUPER POCKET BIKES ARE SHUNNED JUST BECAUSE WE WANT TO SAVE GAS AND TAKE BACK A LITTLE MONEY FROM THE BIG OIL COMPANIES!! WAKE UP PEOPLE!! ITS BIG GOVERNMENT AND BIG OIL THAT WANT TO MAKE THE SUPER POCKET BIKES ILLEGAL BECAUSE THEY CUT INTO THERE PROFITS!! IF YOU HAVE A MOTORCYCLE LICENCE AND YOU HAVE A SUPER POKET BIKE THAT MEETS EPA AND DOT STANDARDS THEN YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO RIDE ON THE STREET JUST LIKE THE MOPEDERS......PEACE


On 15 June 2008 (07:28 PM), George said:

I agree and disagree with most of the comments above. I wont let my 8yr old ride one until she is older and I feel she is ready. Its a good training tool for young future motorcyclist to start out on and get the feel of a motorcycle. To me its a big boys toy. I own pocket bikes and I also moddify them and race them when I can, if there is a track near by. Its a sport and a hobby that some (not all) people enjoy. Just as some people may like sailboating or hiking or paintball or even debating against something stupid. I myself dont ride my bike around neighborhoods or in the streets. I know how loud they are and I dont want to piss anyone off, so I put mine in the trunk of my car and drive to an empty parking lot after the work day behind some building away from everyone. Im not going to tell you my age but Im married and I have an 8yr old so take a guess. Im safe when it comes to what I enjoy and respectable as well, just like most of us PB riders who do this as hobby/sport and I have never had a complaint. Once in awhile I zip in front of my house to test something realy quick and make sure its working properly but not to the point where you would even notice. Some of you make it sound like we have the exhaust in your ear and holding there at full throttle. Everyone has a hobby that gives them enjoyment. Your hobby to me might make me puke or I might not agree with it or I may find it very dull and boring or too extreme, but guess what? Thats your hobby so do it and enjoy it because you only live once. This is ours so why cant you respect that. It seems every time someone doesnt like something this whinney cry baby pops up from the wood works and wants to ban it because "THEY" dont like it. What about the ones who do like it? What if I didnt like your hobby and wanted to ban it. Im surprised we can still walk down the street without breaking some kind of new law because some idiot whinned about something. You cant stop the idiots out there that has no respect for others because there everywhere..havent you noticed? where have you been...under a rock?. So now you have those who buy pocket bikes and say F-the law and still ride on the streets and annoy you with there 2cycle motors while the respectable ones suffer. Its just stupid. Enforce the law but dont ruin it for the ones who are respecfull and safe by making it so rediculous that we have to sell it and to most likely to someone who dosn't care about the law, thats why he's buying it anyways because he plans on riding it lol....the ones that will still fly down your neighborhood with that annoying sound and ride in the streets. Every ban equals new laws and every new laws tightens the noose around our rights and the crap doesnt work. Banned assault rifles...oohhh look!! People are still dying due to crime and all those people did was ruin the law abiding citizens right as well as your own. Give me a break. Your complaining about a foot tall lawnmower on wheels only lots more fun..and duhh.. you can look at the thing and common sence should tell you that its not meant for riding on public roads and calling this thing a scooter and it needs a vin and so forth....are you kidding me? I love pocket bikes to death but come on! LOOK AT IT! Why would I want to commute to duty riding a pocket bike...what are you smoking? lol. The truth is you just dont like them. No stupid excuses like I can see them because I drive an suv or its dangerous. Anyone can take almost anything and come up with a red flag and say its not safe. The first guy said invest in a trampoline...why the hell would I find jumping up and down exciting? You must have had a very boring childhood, but if that floats your boat then Im happy for you. You can go buy one and I wont complain about how unsafe it is and try to ban it because it looks ugly and make the nieghborhood look ugly with a big cuircus looking thing in the yard bringing the property value down to my home.


On 27 June 2008 (07:28 PM), pocket bikezzz! said:

okay, if you get a good exhaust pipe. (50-60 bucks) for you're pocket bike, you get almost no sound, hell, i have 13 of them! all for street use, all street legal, all lent out to my friends, all totally fun, all 4 stroke, all electric start, you should all drive them, love the environment, love gas efficiency, jesus christ!!! we can have cheap, fun...

mine are all high enough to see from a hummer, but barely, and a hummer is waaaayyyy louder!!!


On 29 July 2008 (12:43 PM), Jacob said:

I just five minutes ago got pulled over by a older individual and she told me not to ride my X-7 bullet....which has a seat height of 24' and fully functional lights and blinkers. I have seen there leagal with belox a 50cc motor and a seat height of 24'..And I asked her if it was personally bothering her and she said no....but that it is illegal and she would call the police if she saw me on it again. even if it is loud our old people infested neighorhood has loud hotrods, Huge generators and abunch of other loud stuff thats always going on and on and on.....


On 29 July 2008 (12:43 PM), Jacob said:

I just five minutes ago got pulled over by a older individual and she told me not to ride my X-7 bullet....which has a seat height of 24' and fully functional lights and blinkers. I have seen there leagal with belox a 50cc motor and a seat height of 24'..And I asked her if it was personally bothering her and she said no....but that it is illegal and she would call the police if she saw me on it again. even if it is loud our old people infested neighorhood has loud hotrods, Huge generators and abunch of other loud stuff thats always going on and on and on.....


On 12 August 2008 (09:50 PM), Jesse said:

i just got my new pocket bike off of craigslist for 60 bucks one of the good old fashion minibikes. not the chinese cags or the daytona or whatever you want to call that plastic excuse for a bike. i am 14 years old. I have never said F the law or anything like that, my bike is loud but it does have a horn and places for front and back lights and directional buttons and a killswitch on the handlebars. it sits much higher than a pocketbike does, im 5 4 feet tall and my knees barely bend when i ride it. it is very safe and lots of fun. i understand why people hate the chinese ones, they are noisey, and way to small unless your a miget.old minis should be allowed after all no one gave a damn back in the 1940s when the jitterbug minibike came out. people these days need to losen up. in my opinion better have kids out on their bikes or mini bikes then overdoseing on weed or getting drunk in basments or spending all night on video games. i have friends that do that stuff and ive never wanted to because i find better uses of my time. more kids die each day from drug abuse then kids on pocket bikes do each year. think about the math people. they are not gas guzzleing, they are cheap, they are fun, they are safe if used responsibly. im not saying that they should be allowed on highways or anything stupid like that. why dont we all attach a small flag to the back that sticks up about 4 feet so cars can see it. thats what divers do when they are in a crowed channel with lots of boats. let people know that your their by putting a flag on the surface. it think if we all used them responsibly we would have no problems. once again F those who F the law and make the laws even tighter around americas neck.


On 14 October 2008 (06:11 PM), aaa said:

get over u old people... most of the little annoying kids u see riding these "dag gon loud machines" are just trying to get some fun. Kids under 18 years old can do anything.. cant drive how are we supposed to get anywhere or do anything. let us have something to do.. Yeah so its a little fast but maybe we need some thrill.. the only thrill we get is when our moms exceed the speed limit by 10 mph! woo thats fun... and i completely agree jesse


On 17 November 2008 (07:05 PM), bob said:

i am kind of new to super pocket bikes and i dont know what laws and restrictions apply. i was also wondering if my x19 super pocket bike is legal to drive on side streets and if so is registration needed


On 17 November 2008 (07:13 PM), john said:

i also have an x19 super pocket bike and i am wondering were i can get a silenced double exhaust to replace the regular noisey double exhaust